Rank the four objects from fastest to slowest

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The discussion revolves around ranking four objects—a 1kg solid sphere, a 1kg hollow sphere, a 2kg solid sphere, and a 1kg hoop—based on their speeds as they roll down a ramp. Participants are exploring concepts related to kinetic energy and moment of inertia in the context of rotational motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of kinetic energies for each object and how these relate to their speeds down the ramp. There are attempts to derive relationships between moment of inertia and linear acceleration. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the objects' properties and the implications of their moment of inertia on their motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing calculations of moment of inertia and questioning the relationships between the objects' speeds and their respective inertias. Some participants express confusion over the rankings and seek clarification on the reasoning behind the expected order of speeds.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is an emphasis on understanding the physical principles rather than arriving at a definitive answer.

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Homework Statement


Rank the four objects (1kg solid sphere, 1kg hollow sphere, 2kg solid sphere and 1kg hoop) from fastest down the ramp to slowest. (Please see the attached screenshot for more details.)

Homework Equations



KE_rot = 1/2Iw^2 (where omega = w)

The Attempt at a Solution


Since we are given the values of I for each object, I was able to calculate the KE's of each:
the solid spheres had KE of 1/5mv^2; the hollow sphere had a KE of 1/5 mv^2, and the hoop had 1/2mv^2 (for KE).

Since KE = W = Fd = mad, a = KE/(md). Since all KE's had m's in their equations, the m's can be canceled out. This will give us a, and since from v^2 = v_0^2 + 2ax where x is the same for all and v_0 = 0 for all (and thus v depends solely on the a). Then I had a_D = v^2/(2d), a_B = v^2/(3d), and a_A = a_C = v^2/(5d).

That tells me that then the order from fastest to slowest should be
D > B > A = C.

The answer, however, is the exact opposite: A=C > B > D.

Could someone please help me see why asap?
 

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JessicaHelena said:

Homework Statement


Rank the four objects (1kg solid sphere, 1kg hollow sphere, 2kg solid sphere and 1kg hoop) from fastest down the ramp to slowest. (Please see the attached screenshot for more details.)

Homework Equations



KE_rot = 1/2Iw^2 (where omega = w)

The Attempt at a Solution


Since we are given the values of I for each object, I was able to calculate the KE's of each:
the solid spheres had KE of 1/5mv^2; the hollow sphere had a KE of 1/5 mv^2, and the hoop had 1/2mv^2 (for KE).

Since KE = W = Fd = mad, a = KE/(md). Since all KE's had m's in their equations, the m's can be canceled out. This will give us a, and since from v^2 = v_0^2 + 2ax where x is the same for all and v_0 = 0 for all (and thus v depends solely on the a). Then I had a_D = v^2/(2d), a_B = v^2/(3d), and a_A = a_C = v^2/(5d).

That tells me that then the order from fastest to slowest should be
D > B > A = C.

The answer, however, is the exact opposite: A=C > B > D.

Could someone please help me see why asap?

The kinetic energy of the objects increases, when loosing potential energy: ##mgh =\frac{mv^2}{2} + I \omega^2/2##. The value of ##I## is proportional to the distance between the mass and the rotational axis (to the power of 2), therefore the larger ##I##, the lower the rotational speed (i.e. the slower the object). Just imagine two spheres of the same mass, but different size and compare the sum of their translational and roatational energies (##\frac{mv^2}{2}+I \omega^2/2 = \frac{m(r\omega)^2}{2}+I \omega^2/2##).
 
@stockzahn

Okay, so I just calculated the I's for each. (Assuming R's are all the same)
A: 2/5 R^2
B: 2/3 R^2
C: 4/5 R^2
D: R^2

Now I get why D is last. But A != C here... Could you help me out again?
 
JessicaHelena said:
@stockzahn

Okay, so I just calculated the I's for each. (Assuming R's are all the same)
A: 2/5 R^2
B: 2/3 R^2
C: 4/5 R^2
D: R^2

Now I get why D is last. But A != C here... Could you help me out again?
The moment of inertia is not the time taken. What equation can you write relating I, M and R to the linear acceleration?
 

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