Rate of Supernovae in the Milky Way Galaxy: Scientists' Best Estimate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the rate of supernova explosions in the Milky Way Galaxy, specifically addressing a practice exam question that presents multiple-choice options for this rate. Participants explore the current estimates and the implications of those estimates in relation to the provided options.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the current estimate for supernova occurrences is one every 50 years, although this option is not available on their practice exam.
  • Another participant points out that the exam asks for the closest option to the estimate of one every 50 years.
  • A participant humorously notes the proximity of 50 years to both 1 year and 100 years, suggesting a consideration of multiplicative differences in estimating rates.
  • Another contribution mentions that the generally accepted supernova rate for an average galaxy is roughly one per century, citing external sources that discuss variations based on redshift and other factors.
  • Some participants discuss the mathematical approach to understanding the rate, emphasizing the importance of considering it as a ratio and using logarithmic comparisons to analyze the closeness of different rates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best estimate for the rate of supernovae, with some supporting the 50-year estimate while others reference a broader range of estimates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which multiple-choice option is closest to the current best estimate.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the estimates, the definitions of terms like "rate," and the mathematical interpretations of the options presented in the exam question.

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Which option is closest to scientists' current best estimate for the rate at which a supernova explosions occur somewhere in the milky way galaxy?
a) once a day
b) once a year
c) once every hundred years
d) once every thousand years

From what I have found online, the current estimate is one every 50 years but the question on my practice exam doesn't offer that as an option. Anyone got any links or know anything to help me.
Thanks.
 
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Erenjaeger said:
the current estimate is one every 50 years but the question on my practice exam doesn't offer that as an option

It asks you which option is closest to the current best estimate. Which of the four is closest to one every 50 years?
 
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Well, if I wanted to quibble, I would say 50 years is only 49 years away from 1 year but 50 years away from 100. :wink:

The last known supernova in our galaxy was in 1868. (It was not visible because of dust, but the remnant has been found) The only one ever visible in M31 (the nearest large galaxy) was in 1885 (on the opening night of The Mikado). Given that, which answer looks the best to you?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Well, if I wanted to quibble, I would say 50 years is only 49 years away from 1 year but 50 years away from 100. :wink:
Estimates like this work best by thinking about multiplicative differences instead.

For example, 50 years is fifty times the amount of time as 1 year, so those two numbers are very far apart.

Fifty years is only half of 100 years, though, so those two are quite close.

To do this a little bit more rigorously, you can use order-of-magnitude rounding. With this, numbers that are greater than \sqrt{10} (about 3.1) round up to 10, while numbers below this round down to 1. So in this case, 50 rounds up to 100.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Well, if I wanted to quibble, I would say 50 years is only 49 years away from 1 year but 50 years away from 100. :wink:
Chalnoth said:
Estimates like this work best by thinking about multiplicative differences instead.

The question is about rate per year. That's a ratio, not a number by itself. 50 is not one of the options, 1/50 is.

1/50 is a lot closer to 1/100 than is 1/1.
 
newjerseyrunner said:
The question is about rate per year. That's a ratio, not a number by itself. 50 is not one of the options, 1/50 is.
If one is considering multiplicative differences than it is irrelevant whether one is counting supernovae per year or years per supernova.

log(1/50) is closer to log(1/100) than it is to log(1) and for identical reasons, log(50) is closer to log(100) than to log(1).
 
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