Real (non-ideal) op-amps - textbook query

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This discussion focuses on the analysis of non-ideal operational amplifiers (op-amps), specifically inverting amplifier circuits. The user is confused about the derivation of the output voltage equation, particularly the sign difference between their calculation and the textbook's equation. The user correctly identifies the assumptions of zero input current and zero output impedance, leading to the equations v0 = AOLvd - i0Z0 and the textbook's v0 = -AOLvd - i0Z0. The discrepancy arises from the definition of the input voltage and the orientation of the op-amp terminals.

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Homework Statement


Hello,

I'm studying real op-amps and looking the inverting amplifier circuit for a non-ideal op amp model. I'm confused as to where one of the equations from the assumption of zero output current came from, as I get a slightly different one.

I've attached the circuit diagram.


Homework Equations



1. From assumption of zero input for ideal, which requires Zin >> R1, R2and v1 (inverting input) = vd, and v2 (non-inverting input) = 0.

I get vd = [R1 / (R1 + (R2)]vin + βv0

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For the 2nd assumption of zero output impedance requires Z0 << R2

I get the equation: v0 = AOLvd - i0Z0

but the book says: v0 = - AOLvd - i0Z0
 

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discombobulated said:

Homework Statement


Hello,

I'm studying real op-amps and looking the inverting amplifier circuit for a non-ideal op amp model. I'm confused as to where one of the equations from the assumption of zero output current came from, as I get a slightly different one.

I've attached the circuit diagram.


Homework Equations



1. From assumption of zero input for ideal, which requires Zin >> R1, R2and v1 (inverting input) = vd, and v2 (non-inverting input) = 0.

I get vd = [R1 / (R1 + (R2)]vin + βv0

The Attempt at a Solution



For the 2nd assumption of zero output impedance requires Z0 << R2

I get the equation: v0 = AOLvd - i0Z0

but the book says: v0 = - AOLvd - i0Z0

I think it's just the sign of the input voltage. Remember that the - terminal is at the top, and the + terminal is at the bottom, as drawn. Which way is the Vd defined?

Also, there is a typo in your 2nd sentence. Are you referring to input current or output impedance when you said "assumption of zero output current"?
 

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