Rearrangeing Inverse Hyperbolic functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rearrangement of the identity involving hyperbolic functions, specifically the equation cosh²(y) - sinh²(y) = 1. Participants are exploring how to express cosh²(y) in terms of sinh²(y) and addressing confusion regarding the order of terms in the rearrangement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about rearranging the equation cosh²(y) - sinh²(y) = 1 to solve for cosh²(y), stating they arrive at cosh²(y) = 1 + sinh²(y).
  • Another participant asserts that both expressions, cosh²(y) = 1 + sinh²(y) and cosh²(y) = sinh²(y) + 1, evaluate the same, suggesting that the order of terms does not affect the equality.
  • A later reply provides definitions for sinh(y) and cosh(y) using exponential functions to clarify the relationship between the two functions and confirm the identity.
  • One participant acknowledges their realization that both expressions are equivalent but seeks further understanding of the book's rearrangement method.
  • A humorous comment is made about breakfast choices, indicating a light-hearted tone amidst the technical discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that both expressions for cosh²(y) are equivalent, but there is some confusion regarding the rearrangement process and the reasoning behind the book's presentation.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity on the specific steps taken in the rearrangement process, and the discussion does not resolve how the book arrived at its formulation.

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Hi,

My brain is not working today. So can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong.

(^2 = squared)

coshy^2 - sinhy^2 = 1, how do I rearrange this for coshy^2

I keep getting: coshy^2 = 1 + Sinhy^2

The book that I'm looking at has it this way: coshy^2 = Sinhy^2 + 1

Thanks

Obs
 
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Time for brain overhaul. Both expressions evaluate the same.
 
Observables said:
Hi,

My brain is not working today. So can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong.

(^2 = squared)

coshy^2 - sinhy^2 = 1, how do I rearrange this for coshy^2

I keep getting: coshy^2 = 1 + Sinhy^2

The book that I'm looking at has it this way: coshy^2 = Sinhy^2 + 1

Thanks

Obs

Hey observables and welcome to the forums.

The easiest way to find if the book is right (ie coshy^2 - sinhy^2 = 1) is to just use the definition of sinhy and coshy.

sinhy = 1/2 (e^x - e^-x)
coshy = 1/2(e^x + e^-x)

so sinhy^2 = 1/4 [e^2x - 2 + e^-2x)
coshy^2 = 1/4(e^2x + 2 - e^-2x)

coshy^2 - sinhy^2 = 1/2 - (-1/2) = 1
 
SteamKing said:
Time for brain overhaul. Both expressions evaluate the same.

Hi,

I realized that, but I couldn't figure out how the book was doing the rearranging. I've been differentiating a few Inverse Hyperbolic functions, and I thought the reason that the book rearranged differently to me was that somewhere down the line it would become clear why it was done.

Obs.
 
chiro said:
Hey observables and welcome to the forums.

The easiest way to find if the book is right (ie coshy^2 - sinhy^2 = 1) is to just use the definition of sinhy and coshy.

sinhy = 1/2 (e^x - e^-x)
coshy = 1/2(e^x + e^-x)

so sinhy^2 = 1/4 [e^2x - 2 + e^-2x)
coshy^2 = 1/4(e^2x + 2 - e^-2x)

coshy^2 - sinhy^2 = 1/2 - (-1/2) = 1

Hi Chiro,

Thanks for the info.

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