Relation between Decomposition and Reversible reactions....

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The discussion centers on the nature of decomposition reactions and their reversibility. It is clarified that not all decomposition reactions are reversible, with combustion cited as a key example where hydrocarbons cannot be regenerated from carbon dioxide and water. The conversation also touches on the complexities of defining reversibility, particularly in bulk processes versus molecular-level reactions. While some reactions can reach equilibrium, the practical irreversibility of certain processes, like coal burning, is emphasized due to kinetic and thermodynamic constraints. Overall, the consensus is that while many reactions can be reversible under specific conditions, this is not universally applicable.
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Okay...I read that the decomposition of water is a reversible reaction (because the constituents can react to form water and water can decompose to form constituents)...This lead me to another thought that almost all compounds can be decomposed (although it is true that their conditions for decomposition may be very "difficult")...So does that mean that all decomposition reactions are reversible reactions?...Because in this sense almost all chemical reaactions are reversible?Any help will be appreciated...
 
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Not all chemical reactions are reversible. A good example is combustion: while you can burn hydrocarbons to form CO2 + H2O, there is no way to form hydrocarbons from just carbon dioxide and water.
 
DrClaude said:
there is no way to form hydrocarbons from just carbon dioxide and water.

https://phys.org/news/2016-02-proven-one-step-co2-liquid-hydrocarbon.html
 
DrClaude said:
Not all chemical reactions are reversible. A good example is combustion: while you can burn hydrocarbons to form CO2 + H2O, there is no way to form hydrocarbons from just carbon dioxide and water.
My question was that are all decomposition reactions reversible?
 
Some are, some are not.
 
Kaneki123 said:
My question was that are all decomposition reactions reversible?

Yes, that was your question. And the answer is No.
 
DrStupid said:
https://phys.org/news/2016-02-proven-one-step-co2-liquid-hydrocarbon.html
That's a photochemical process, using catalysts. I dispute the fact that this would correspond to the reverse reaction.
 
DrClaude said:
That's a photochemical process, using catalysts.

Yes, and it is a way to form hydrocarbons from just carbon dioxide and water.

DrClaude said:
I dispute the fact that this would correspond to the reverse reaction.

What would accept as the "reverse reaction" of a complex process like combustion?
 
Reversibility of reaction have at least two meanings: bidirectional elementary processes at molecular level and reversing the direction of a bulk process. In both situations we invoke equilibrium processes ie reaction goes "from left to right" and "from right to left", usually with different speed or probability. In practice the sides frequently have different physical constitution and approaching the "active complex" or reactants transforming into products can be quite different.
The most famous example is coal burning in air. Frequently the mass of a coal have temperatures far below burning surface, so the chunk of solid can react with oxygen only at limited area. When heat evolving is faster than heat transmission inside coal, the gaseous product of burning has kinetic energy highly above possibilities of stable placing the CO or CO2 molecules in a proper orientation to putting new C atoms at proper place of a solid C. At a burning surface equilibrium is possible, but the temperature is usually in the range of instability of reactants carbon and oxygen (the equilibrium is "shifted" in direction of products).
We can elaborate the conditions in which reaction is in equilibrium and new C solid forms, but probability of spontaneous deposition on surface of initial chunk of carbon is indistingiushable from zero, so the entire process is totally irreversible. On the molecular level we usually do not differentiate places or identify the atoms going "from left to right" and "right to left", and the soot formation is evidence for reversibility.
Plenty of such processes are used in practice, for example a crystallization goes from impure solid to crystals with proper composition, through equilibrium state obeying the microscopic reversibility principle and amounts of substance in a solid state are comparable before and after process, but solids before and after crystallization are different. You can add a chemical reaction to the process and obtain a great variation of possibilities.
In practice reversible reaction means obtaining equilibrium mixture of products and reactants, needind troublesome separations. Frequently we can make it to the end with products only. For example reversible reaction of esterification produces ester and water from carboxylic acid and alcohol. The equilibrium constant is close to 1, so we obtain equimolecular mixture of substrates and products. When water is removed from reaction place by absorption, azeotropic destillation or another tricky method, the process goes to ester and possibly the solvent used.
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