Relationship between radius of curvature and slope

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the radius of curvature and the slope of a smooth, continuous, twice differentiable function. Participants explore the implications of this relationship, particularly regarding the normality of the tangent line vector and the vector from the center of curvature at each point on the curve.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the tangent line vector and the vector from the center of curvature to a point on the curve are normal to one another, questioning whether this is necessarily true.
  • One participant mentions that this relationship holds true even for non-symmetrical parabolas and straight lines, providing examples to illustrate this point.
  • Another participant introduces the concept that for curves parametrized by arc length, the radius of curvature is the reciprocal of the length of the acceleration vector, which points normal to the curve.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the radius of curvature being infinite for horizontal lines, suggesting that the tangent and the line from the radius of curvature intersect at 90 degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the normality of the tangent and curvature vectors, but there are differing views on the implications for non-symmetrical curves and the conditions under which these relationships hold.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of non-symmetrical curves on the established relationships and does not clarify the conditions under which the tangent and curvature vectors remain normal.

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Hello all,

We know that for some well-behaved, smooth/continuous, twice differentiable function of x, f[x] there exists at each point a slope (f ' [x]) and a radius of curvature

\rho [x]=\frac{\left(1+f'[x]^2\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}}{f\text{''}[x]}

It also seems intuitive to think that at every point on such a function, the tangent line vector and the vector from the center of curvature to this point would be normal to one another.

Is this necessarily true?
 
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hello bpcraig! :wink:
bpcraig said:
It also seems intuitive to think that at every point on such a function, the tangent line vector and the vector from the center of curvature to this point would be normal to one another.

Is this necessarily true?

yes :smile:
 
what happens when a parabola is no longer symmetrical? (cutting it half vertically that is) Some real life processes are plotted like parabolas but are not symmetrical.
 
then this is still true. this relationship does not need a curve to be symmetrical. it even holds true for a straight line (not really twice differentiable). think about a horizontal line. The slope is 0, so the tangent will be along the original line.
The 'radius of curvature' is infinite and it comes from the bottom of the page directly below the point being observed.
This tangent and line from the radius of curvature to the point chosen intersect at 90 degrees.
 
bpcraig said:
Hello all,

We know that for some well-behaved, smooth/continuous, twice differentiable function of x, f[x] there exists at each point a slope (f ' [x]) and a radius of curvature

\rho [x]=\frac{\left(1+f'[x]^2\right)^{\frac{3}{2}}}{f\text{''}[x]}

It also seems intuitive to think that at every point on such a function, the tangent line vector and the vector from the center of curvature to this point would be normal to one another.

Is this necessarily true?

For any smooth curve parametrized by arc length, the radius of curvature is the reciprocal of the length of the acceleration vector of the curve. The acceleration vector points normal to the curve.
 
ooh, so it does! …

for arc-length, v = 1, and so a = v2/r = 1/r :smile:
 

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