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Homework Help: Relativity - proton-proton collision

  1. Oct 19, 2006 #1
    A Proton, [tex]m_{1}[/tex] with Kinetic energy T = 200MeV strikes a stationary proton in the lab frame.
    p + p -> p + p + X

    what is the maximum mass of X, which can be produced.

    I think I need to make use of [tex]E^2 - P^2 c^2[/tex] is invariant.
    In S: [tex]E = (m_{1} + m_{0})c^2 , p = p_{1}[/tex]
    In S ' :

    [tex]E^2 - P^2 c^2 = E^2_{1}+ 2m_{0}E_{1}c^2 + m^2_{0}c^4 -T^2 (1) where E_{1} = T + m_{0}c^2[/tex]
    I'm not sure what is happening in the centre of mass frame, I thought that the particle would have maximum mass when there was zero K.E i.e [tex]E' = (2m_{0} + m_{x})c^2, p' = 0[/tex] in the lab frame but I got lost when I tried to equate this with (1).
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2006
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  3. Oct 20, 2006 #2

    Meir Achuz

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    Find the center of mass energy W, using W^2=(T+M+M)^2-p^2.
    This can be solved to T in terms of W. Then W=2M+X will give T.
  4. Oct 20, 2006 #3

    I have a similar question, for electron-proton collision and I'll try to post my full working as I'm not really sure on these problems at all. Could someone check my answer please.

    An electron with with total energy E collides with a proton at rest
    e + p -> e + p + X, find the maximum possible mass of X making use of invariants.
    Masses quoted are all rest masses.

    [tex]P_{0} = E / c, p^2 = -m^2 c^2[/tex]
    [tex]E_{t} = E + m_{p}c^2 , |p_{t}| = sqrt[{(E^2 / c^2) + m^2_{e}c^2}][/tex]

    [tex]E^2_{t} - |p_{t}|^2 c^2 = (m_p + m_e + m_x)^2 c^4 [/tex]
    [tex]E^2 + 2Em_{p}c^2 + m^2_{p}c^4 - (E^2 - m^2_{e}c^4) =
    (m^2_{e} + m^2_{p} + m^2_{x} + 2m_{e}m_{p} + 2m_{e}m_{x} + 2m_{p}m_{x})c^4 [/tex]

    [tex]m^2_{x} + 2m_{x}(m_{e}+m_{x}) + 2m_{e}m_{p} = 2Em_{p}c^{-2} [/tex]
    [tex]E = T + m_{e}c^2
    => m^2_{x} + 2m_{x}(m_{e}+m_{p}) + 2m_{e}m_{p} = 2[Tm_{p}c^{-2} + m_{e}m_{p}]
    => m^2_{x} + 2m_{x}(m_{e}+m_{p}) - 2Tm_{p} = 0[/tex]
    multipled the above by [tex]c^2[/tex], so I can use masses in MeV.

    If the initial kinetic energy, T, of the electon is T = 5000meV, [tex]m_{e}[/tex] = 0.511 MeV, [tex]m_{p}[/tex]. Plugging into a quadratic I get [tex]m_{x}[/tex] = 2265MeV. Is this realistic?
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2006
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