Relevant highest order harmonics in power systems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of harmonics in power systems, specifically focusing on harmonic analyzers, the relevance of various harmonic orders, and the implications of total harmonic distortion (THD). Participants explore practical experiences and standards related to harmonic analysis in both AC mains and equipment connected to it.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether harmonic analyzers can analyze any harmonic and seeks to understand the highest order harmonic relevant in power systems, noting that some sources mention including up to the 15th-17th harmonic for THD calculations, while others suggest that harmonics beyond the 55th are generally disregarded due to attenuation effects.
  • Another participant references the EN 61000-3-2 standard, indicating that it does not consider even harmonics in power waveform assessments and relates this to practical testing for power factor quality issues in switching power supplies.
  • A participant mentions that the standard checks and includes harmonics up to the 40th order, seeking clarification on whether the discussion pertains to the AC mains or connected equipment.
  • A later reply provides a reference to a document indicating the relevance of the 50th harmonic in power systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relevance of different harmonic orders, with some suggesting that higher harmonics are less significant while others reference standards that include higher orders. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical implications and thresholds for harmonic analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the influence of factors such as half-cycle symmetry and power quality problems on harmonic analysis, indicating that steady periodic waves may be necessary for accurate readings, but this remains a point of inquiry.

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i am learning about harmonic analyzers and i have a couple of questions concerning them that need some sort of practical experience to answer them ( and i have none :) ) :

1-can harmonic analyzer analyze up to any harmonic? or is there a maximum ? if there is no maximum what's the highest order harmonic that is relevant to us in power systems ? i read somewhere online that when calculating THD they normally include up to the 15th -17th harmonic, and a friend told me that no one cares about what's beyond the 55th or so because these high frequencies are attenuated by the inductance of transformers or motors, so i need a practical opinion on this .

2- when i was reading about THD literally everyone was ignoring the even harmonics, i read it's because the half-cycle symmetry and it was mentioned " which is very common in power applications", so my question is there any common application where there is half cycle symmetry ( i am not speaking of dc offset which can easily be removed) i couldn't think of any tbh.

3- how do harmonic analyzers deal with different power quality problems that can affect their readings like frequency and voltage fluctuations? does the input has to be a steady periodic wave to get accurate answers?
 
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Are you asking about harmonic distortion from the AC Mains power source, or from equipment that is hooked to the AC Mains?

If the latter, one applicable standard is EN 61000-3-2:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_61000-3-2

It does look like they are not checking the even harmonics of the power waveform. I end up having to test to this standard for some of the products we design because of Power Factor quality issues with some simple switching power supplies. You pretty much have to use a Power Factor Corrected switching power supply to pass this Harmonics test.
 
so according to this standard they are checking and including in the THD up to the 40th harmonic
berkeman said:
Are you asking about harmonic distortion from the AC Mains power source, or from equipment that is hooked to the AC Mains?
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i am asking in general , either it's the mains voltage or inverter ouput or line current to some motor
 

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