Resistance in a series-parallel combination

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The discussion centers on finding a resistor value (R) that maintains the same total power output for two heating elements with a resistance of 20 Ohms, whether one or both are used. Initial attempts to calculate R using parallel resistance formulas suggested that power would increase when both elements are activated, which is incorrect. The user explored various equations, including power loss equations, but struggled to prove their assumptions. A suggested approach involves equating the total power loss for both scenarios and solving for R, leading to a quadratic equation. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding power loss in circuit configurations to solve the problem effectively.
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The circuit in question is this:
http://www.atnetzwerk.de/temp/wasserkocher2.gif

There are two heating elements with a resistance R_0 = 20 Ohm. I have to find R so that the total power output of the heating elements stays the same no matter if I only use one heating element or both.

I first thought of using R = \frac{R_0 * R_0}{R_0 + R_0}, but I think that would mean that the power output would be higher when both heating elements are in use. Am I right?

Then I tried solving R = \frac{U^2}{P} for P and doing U^2 / R_1 = U ^2 / R_2 for R_1 being the resistance when only one heating element is in use and R_2 being the resistance when both heating elements are in use. Obviously that just leaves me with R_1 = R_2, which doesn't help with this problem.

Another approach I tried was just saying that R has to be equal to R_0, because then the maximum available power P would arrive at the resistor at R_0 when only one heating element is in use and P/2 would arrive at each of them when both of them are turned on. However I don't know how to prove this or even if this is the right idea at all.

Does anyone have an idea as to how I could solve this problem?
 
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Icheb said:
The circuit in question is this:
http://www.atnetzwerk.de/temp/wasserkocher2.gif

There are two heating elements with a resistance R_0 = 20 Ohm. I have to find R so that the total power output of the heating elements stays the same no matter if I only use one heating element or both.

I first thought of using R = \frac{R_0 * R_0}{R_0 + R_0}, but I think that would mean that the power output would be higher when both heating elements are in use. Am I right?

Then I tried solving R = \frac{U^2}{P} for P and doing U^2 / R_1 = U ^2 / R_2 for R_1 being the resistance when only one heating element is in use and R_2 being the resistance when both heating elements are in use. Obviously that just leaves me with R_1 = R_2, which doesn't help with this problem.

Another approach I tried was just saying that R has to be equal to R_0, because then the maximum available power P would arrive at the resistor at R_0 when only one heating element is in use and P/2 would arrive at each of them when both of them are turned on. However I don't know how to prove this or even if this is the right idea at all.

Does anyone have an idea as to how I could solve this problem?

Just work out the equation for total power loss for each scenario, equate them and solve for R.

P = I^2R_{eff}

I = U/(R+R_0)
(1)P = I^2R_0 = \frac{U^2}{(R+R_0)^2}R_0

I = U/(R + R_0/2)
(2)P = I^2R_0/2 = \frac{U^2}{(R+R_0/2)^2}R_0/2

Equate (1) and (2) and solve for R. You will need to solve a quadratic equation.

AM
 
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You are the best! Thank you very much.
 
If you don't mind my asking: How did you arrive at the conclusion that you need the equations for total power loss? I simply can't figure this out.
 
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