Resultant Velocities in 2D (Relativistic)

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The discussion centers on solving a homework problem involving resultant velocities in a relativistic context. The initial calculation of sqrt(2)v is deemed correct, as it does not represent relative speed, while the last line of the attempt is criticized for suggesting infinite relative speed as v approaches c. The participant expresses uncertainty about using Pythagorean methods for 3-velocity in the context of 4-vectors, despite noting that Vrel4 adheres to the inner product identity. A suggestion is made to analyze the problem from the rest frame of one of the particles using Lorentz transformation equations to simplify the calculation of relative speed. The conversation emphasizes the importance of clear, typed solutions for effective collaboration.
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Homework Statement


Here's the question:

http://i.imgur.com/zs130b3.png

Homework Equations


Just the usual Lorentz transform matrix etc.

The Attempt at a Solution



http://imgur.com/4Oipfu9
Now, the last line is clearly incorrect, since it tends towards infinite relative speed as v --> c. Of course the initial answer of sqrt(2)v for the first part is fine because that isn't relative speed (I am pretty sure I have this part right - let me know if not). I have a feeling I can't 'Pythagorise' the 3-velocity part of Vrel4 to get a magnitude, but this is a bit of a guess. Vrel4 still seems to obey the V.V = (+/-)c^2 inner product identity so that points towards it being the correct 4-vector, although I may be wrong about that.

Thanks for any help.

(check the imgur links, pictures didn't work)
 
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jeffbarrington said:

Homework Statement


Here's the question:

http://i.imgur.com/zs130b3.png

Homework Equations


Just the usual Lorentz transform matrix etc.

The Attempt at a Solution



http://imgur.com/4Oipfu9
Now, the last line is clearly incorrect, since it tends towards infinite relative speed as v --> c. Of course the initial answer of sqrt(2)v for the first part is fine because that isn't relative speed (I am pretty sure I have this part right - let me know if not). I have a feeling I can't 'Pythagorise' the 3-velocity part of Vrel4 to get a magnitude, but this is a bit of a guess. Vrel4 still seems to obey the V.V = (+/-)c^2 inner product identity so that points towards it being the correct 4-vector, although I may be wrong about that.

Thanks for any help.

(check the imgur links, pictures didn't work)

I don't know what you did, since you posted all your work in an image and I do not look at those---only at typed solutions. (Most other helpers won't look at it either.) Consult the PF Guidelines.

However, the way I would approach the problem if I were solving it would be to go into the rest-frame of ejected particle 1, and use Lorentz-transformation equations go get the (vector) velocity of ejected particle 2 in that new frame. From that, the relative speed is easy to get.
 
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