Reversible electric motor - what am I looking at?

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The discussion centers around the functioning and components of a reversible electric motor used in an automatic skylight from 1985. Participants are trying to identify and understand the purpose of certain rectangular gray components attached to the motor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the gray components as 27 ohm power resistors, suggesting they limit maximum motor current and torque.
  • Another participant proposes that the components are fusible cement resistors with specific resistance and power ratings, noting a 5% tolerance.
  • A later reply corrects the terminology, suggesting the components may be Cermet resistors, which combine ceramic and metal properties.
  • Further discussion raises the possibility that the resistors are wire wound with a ceramic or cement case to mitigate oxidation and fire hazards, contrasting with Cermet resistors which are typically lower power and higher resistance.
  • One participant mentions that destructive testing could clarify the nature of the components and questions the role of a series diode in providing directional control of the torque limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the exact nature of the gray components, with no consensus reached on whether they are fusible cement resistors or Cermet resistors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the components and their functions.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the components' materials and functions, as well as the lack of definitive identification of the resistors. The discussion also includes references to specific technical characteristics that may not be universally understood.

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What are these components on my reversible motor and how is the whole thing supposed to work?
I have a reversible electric motor that operates an automatic skylight, vintage 1985. I'm trying to figure out how it is supposed to work, but I don't recognize the rectangular gray components that are secured to the motor case with a length of plastic zip-tie. What might they be and how would the whole thing work?
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They are 27 ohm power resistors, probably to limit maximum motor current = torque.
 
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Nugatory said:
I don't recognize the rectangular gray components that are secured to the motor case with a length of plastic zip-tie
They look like fusible cement resistors, ##27~\Omega,\ 9~\mathrm{W}## with ##5\%## tolerance.

Edit: @Baluncore beat me to it.
 
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Wrichik Basu said:
They look like fusible cement resistors
Probably just a typo, but I believe you are referring to Cermet.

That is a compound of cer[/size]amic and met[/size]al, which combine to give characteristics of both.

Further info: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cermet

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Tom.G said:
Probably just a typo, ...
Maybe not.
I think you will find the higher power, low value resistors like those are wire wound on the inside, with a ceramic or cement case to reduce wire oxidation and fire hazard.

Cermet resistors are usually more expensive, with power 1 watt or less, higher resistance, and lower inductance.

Destructive testing would resolve the question.

The series diode is interesting. Does it provide directional control of the torque limit?
 
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Tom.G said:
Probably just a typo, but I believe you are referring to Cermet.

That is a compound of ceramic and metal, which combine to give characteristics of both.

Further info: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cermet
I meant cement. I bought a few of those some months back to help in my experiments. In fact, I had never heard of cermet resistors; thanks for the information.
 
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