Rigid Body Bouncing: How Smooth Surfaces Deform

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of rigid bodies with smooth surfaces during collisions, specifically focusing on whether deformation occurs and how it affects the bouncing effect. Participants explore the implications of deformation in various materials, including metals and other solid objects, and consider the nature of sound produced during such collisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that there is no truly rigid body, as all materials deform to some extent during collisions.
  • One participant notes that the sound produced when a ball hits the floor is an artifact of deformation, suggesting that energy is absorbed by the material's atomic structure.
  • Another participant emphasizes that metal balls are elastic and not completely rigid, contributing to the bouncing effect.
  • A question is raised about whether it is possible to observe the deformation of a very rigid object during a collision, with a suggestion that interference techniques could be used for macroscopic objects.
  • Participants discuss the hypothetical scenario of a stone and a non-deforming surface, questioning whether sound would still be produced in such a case.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the implications of collisions between classically rigid surfaces, particularly about momentum changes occurring instantaneously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that no object is purely rigid and that deformation occurs during collisions. However, there are competing views regarding the implications of this deformation and the nature of sound production in collisions involving rigid bodies.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of real-world materials compared to idealized models, indicating that assumptions about rigidity and deformation may vary based on definitions and contexts.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying material science, physics of collisions, or sound production in mechanical systems.

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Hi guys

enlighten me, How can Rigid bodies with smooth surfaces bounce in a collision

An example is, drooping a metal sphere on a metal surfaceis there any deformation happening here as in the situation of a basketball ?
 
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Deformation - yep.
There is no such thing as the classically rigid body - everything deforms.
 
magmash said:
is there any deformation happening here as in the situation of a basketball ?

One artifact of deformation would be the sound waves you hear when the ball meets the floor. As Simon said, there's no such thing as an absolutely rigid object. The atoms and molecules will 'absorb' the energy, and react according to their composite structure.
 
Metal balls are not rigid (and nothing truly is completely rigid). They are very elastic.
 
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so speaking in simple terms, there is nothing purely rigid in this world every thing deforms during a collision, and that is what is responsible for the bouncing effect that we can observe, am i right ?

P.S

Is it possible to observe the deformation of an very rigid/solid object during a collision ?
 
magmash said:
so speaking in simple terms, there is nothing purely rigid in this world every thing deforms during a collision, and that is what is responsible for the bouncing effect that we can observe, am i right ?
That is correct.
Is it so hard to believe that the real world is messier than our idealized models?

Is it possible to observe the deformation of an very rigid/solid object during a collision ?
Define "very solid" and "object" - but, in principle, yes.
For macroscopic objects you need to use interference techniques - but, as TumblingDice said, the sound of the objects striking is a result of the deformation.

If the objects did not deform, then the collision would take place in zero time ... giving "end of the Universe" type issues.
 
Simon Bridge said:
but, as TumblingDice said, the sound of the objects striking is a result of the deformation..

Lets assume that we have a stone and a surface that don't deform, would dropping the stone down on the surface not result in any sound ?



I appreciate your kind responds : )
 
magmash said:
Lets assume that we have a stone and a surface that don't deform, would dropping the stone down on the surface not result in any sound ?
How does sound happen?

However, for a collision of two classically rigid surfaces there are other issues like the zero time change in momentum.
If two rigid balls bounce off each other... What happened in terms of the force each experienced?
 

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