Rigid rod moving in potential field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simulating a rigid rod of length L moving in a two-dimensional potential field, focusing on the forces acting on the rod and the computational approach to model its motion over discrete timesteps. The context includes considerations of friction, potential energy, and numerical methods for simulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the force acting on a rigid rod in a potential field, noting that the force is defined as -∇P, where P is the potential.
  • Another participant questions how the rod interacts with the potential field, asking for an equivalent "charge" for the rod in the context of an electric potential field.
  • A participant explains that the potential energy P can be expressed as P=qψ, where q is a constant that could represent mass or charge, and emphasizes that units are not significant for the simulation.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the total force and torque on the rod by breaking it into N parts, treating each part as a particle, and using integrals that will be approximated as sums in the simulation.
  • A participant poses two questions regarding the treatment of the rod as two particles and the order of rotation versus translation in the simulation updates.
  • Responses to the questions indicate that the rod cannot be treated as two particles and confirm that the order of rotation and translation does not matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of the rod in the simulation, particularly regarding its representation as two particles. While there is agreement on the approach to calculating forces and torques, the discussion does not reach a consensus on all aspects of the simulation methodology.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the rod's coupling to the potential field and the implications of treating the rod as a collection of particles. The discussion also highlights the need for numerical methods to handle the simulation effectively.

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Hi,

I'd like to write a program that "simulates" a rigid rod of length L moving in a potential field. The problem is in two dimensions. Friction is assumed to be negligible. The potential field and its gradient is known at every point of the two-dimensional domain.

The "mass" of the rod and the magnitude of the potential gradient can be arbitrarily set. The rod has uniform density.

I understand that the force acting upon a particle in a potential field is -∇P, where P is the potential. This is an attraction of the particle towards lower potentials. What is the force acting on the rod?

Since this is a computer simulation, time and space are discretized. The simulation would proceed in discrete timesteps Δt. How do I compute the position of the rod in each timestep? How would you generally approach this problem?

Your help is greatly appreciated.
 
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How does the rod couple to the field?

For example, in an electric potential field, the units are V = J/C, i.e. energy per unit charge. What is the equivalent "charge" of the rod?
 
The force is -∇P at every point in the two-dimensional domain, while

P=qψ.

In this context, P is the potential energy, which is known and ψ is the potential. q would be a constant, which could be the mass, charge or whatever. I can set it to be anything, but it is a real constant. I set Δt and q such that the problem can be handled numerically, but they don't have any significance besides this.

Answering your question, it does not matter whether you treat this as a gravity or electric problem. Units are unimportant.
 
All you need is to figure the total force and total torque acting on the rod. These would be given by integrals, but in your computer program they will be calculated as sums. Break down the rod into N parts and for each part calculate the force as if it was a particle. calculate the torque using the center of mass as pivot. Add all the forces to find the total force and add all the torques to find the total torque. Use those to figure out the acceleration and angular acceleration of the rod. use those to update one time step to find what's the updated values for angular velocity and velocity. Use those to update the position of the center of mass and orientation (angle) of the rod. Rinse and repeat.
 
Thanks!

Two questions.

1, Without losing generality, can the rod be treated as two particles connected by a massless rod?
2, I assume that it does not matter whether I rotate or translate the rod first at each iteration, yes?
 
Answers:

1, No
2, Yes

Many thanks for the replies.
 

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