1. Not finding help here? Sign up for a free 30min tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Rolling disk with point mass on edge

  1. Apr 18, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    A point mass m is attached to the rim of an otherwise uniform solid disk of mass M and radius R (in the diagram mass m is in contact with the ground). The disk is rolled slightly away from its equilibrium position and released. It rolls back and forth without slipping. Show that the period of this motion is given by
    [tex] T=2\pi \sqrt{\frac{3MR}{2mg}}[/tex]


    2. Relevant equations
    [tex]I=\frac{1}{2}MR^2[/tex]
    [tex]I \frac{d^2 \theta}{dt^2}=-\kappa \theta[/tex]
    [tex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{\kappa}{I}}[/tex]
    [tex]T=\frac{2\pi}{\omega}[/tex]
    [tex]\alpha = \frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}[/tex]

    3. The attempt at a solution
    My guess would have been
    [tex]I=\frac{1}{2}MR^2 + mR^2[/tex]
    and then
    [tex]I\alpha = -mgR\sin\theta \approx -mgR\theta[/tex]
    now we have kappa and I so we can pop that in to solve for T which gives a big mess. This problem is a bit tricky for me as I am trying to look for a stationary axis to take torques about and not sure about how to apply the parallel axis theorem with the point mass (do I even need to use it?). I tried calculating the centre of mass of the disk just for kicks and it turned out to be a point 2/3R from the centre (using Centre of Mass = [itex]\int r dm[/itex]) but it should be in the centre...thats another story.

    It seems there must be a pretty easy way to solve it but I cant see it.
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Apr 19, 2009 #2

    tiny-tim

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Hi vladimir69! :smile:

    Hint: conservation of energy :wink:
     
  4. Apr 21, 2009 #3
    Thanks for the reply
    Not sure how using conservation of energy will allow me to find the period of oscillations for this problem. Not 100% sure how to apply conservation of energy for this problem either.
     
  5. Apr 24, 2009 #4
    I am tempted to work it out by trying to find a way so that (analogous to a pendulum)
    [tex]\frac{1}{2}MR^2\alpha=-\frac{1}{3}mgR\theta[/tex]
    because from the above equation you can get omega and then immediately go to the period T using [itex]T=2\pi\frac{1}{\omega}[/itex]

    edit: not sure why my latex is not showing correctly, it is displaying stuff I made in previous posts.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2009
  6. Jun 20, 2009 #5

    tiny-tim

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    Hi vladimir69! Thanks for the PM. :smile:

    I think conservation of energy is the easiest way …

    the KE of the disc is its linear KE (1/2 Mv2) plus its rotational KE (1/2 Iθ'2) …

    (and add the KE of the point mass, but you should find that it's second-order and can be ignored :wink:)

    and the PE is mgR(1 - cosθ), ~ 1/2 mgRθ2

    then write v as a function of R and θ, ignore anything of second order in θ,

    and the equation KE + PE = constant should give you

    (something)θ'2 + (something else)θ2 = constant,

    which you can then solve. :smile:
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook




Similar Discussions: Rolling disk with point mass on edge
  1. Solid disk rolling (Replies: 4)

  2. A Rolling Disk (Replies: 4)

Loading...