Rotating reel with load driven by a motor

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The discussion focuses on solving a physics problem involving a motor-driven rotating reel and a cylinder. The initial calculations yield a velocity of 2.51 m/s, which differs from the expected answer of 1.91 m/s. The discrepancy arises from incorrectly accounting for the acceleration of the mass in the torque equation. A more effective approach involves introducing a variable for the tension in the cable and analyzing the drum and mass separately. Understanding the energy method clarifies the correct solution, highlighting the importance of systematic problem-solving in physics.
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Homework Statement


If the motor M exerts a constant force of P = 300 N on the cable wrapped around the reels outer rim, determine the velocity of the 50 kg cylinder after it has traveled a distance 2 m. Initially the system is at rest. The reel has mass 25 kg, and the radius of gyration about its center of mass A is ka = 125 mm.
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Homework Equations


Ia = ma*k2a
Ia*α = ΣM

The Attempt at a Solution


Ia = ma*k2a = 25*0.1252 = 0.390625 kgm2
Ia*α = ΣM = -P*ro + mgri = -300*0.15 + 50*9.81*0.075 = -8.2125kgm
α = -8.2125 / 0.390625 = -21.024rad/s2
a = α*ri = -1.5768m/s2
s = (at2)/2 and v = at and we get that v = 2.51m/s, but the answer given is 1.91m/s.

What am I doing wrong? In the solution they use energy method which I understand, but I should be able to solve it correctly that way as well. Why do I get a different answer?
 

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I think firstly you'd focus on the Kinetic Energy and the work. As the reel rotates a fixed axis vC = vr rC or vr = vC rC = vC/0.075 = 13.33vC. The mass moment of inertia of the reel about its mass centers is Ia = MrkA2, which would equal 25(0.125)2 = 0.390625 kg ⋅ m2. Thus the kinetic energy of the system is T = Tr + Tc which = ½ IA ωr2 + mc x vc2, which would then proceed to = ½(0.390625)(13.33vC)2 + ½(50)vC2 which would equal 59.72vC2

There is more But I don't know how to insert the picture on here to show you, because you use that to get the answer of 1.91m/s.
 
Hi Physiona,

Thank you for the reply. I understand how to solve the problem using the energy method. What I don't get is why my attempt at a solution is wrong.
 
bassguitar said:
Hi Physiona,

Thank you for the reply. I understand how to solve the problem using the energy method. What I don't get is why my attempt at a solution is wrong.
Your mgri term does not allow for the acceleration of the mass. A more systematic approach is to introduce a variable for the tension in the vertical cable and consider the drum and mass separately.
 
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haruspex said:
Your mgri term does not allow for the acceleration of the mass. A more systematic approach is to introduce a variable for the tension in the vertical cable and consider the drum and mass separately.
I agree.
 
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