Rotational and translational motion of a ruler on a pivot

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The discussion revolves around the rotational and translational motion of a ruler attached to a pivot point. The scenario involves a student applying a downward force on one end of the ruler, which is less than the ruler's weight, and the implications of this force on the ruler's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore whether the ruler will continue spinning or come to a stop after the force is applied. Questions arise regarding the relationship between the applied force and the ruler's weight, as well as the distinction between the ruler's overall motion and the motion of its center of mass.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that the ruler will continue spinning if there is no friction, while others question the implications of the applied force being less than the ruler's weight. The conversation includes a clarification of concepts related to the motion of the ruler and its center of mass, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of a frictionless pivot and the nature of the forces involved, as well as the assumptions about the applied force relative to the weight of the ruler.

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Homework Statement


A ruler is attached to the top of a pole bound by its center (pivot point of the ruler is at its center). A student briefly exerts a downward force on the right end of the ruler. The magnitude of the force exerted by the student is less than the weight of the ruler. Assume that pivot point is frictionless.


Homework Equations


After the student stops pushing the ruler, will it continue spinning or come to a stop?
Does the motion of the ruler's center of mass ever change?

The Attempt at a Solution


I am assuming the ruler will spin forever if the pivot point is frictionless, but I wasn't sure because the force applied on it was less than its weight. That had me thinking of the possibility that the ruler's motion may change direction and it will be restored to its original position.
 
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I believe if the force is less than the weight of the ruler then the ruler wouldn't spin. It would rotate clockwise then counter-clockwise back to the resting position.
 
You are right that if there is no friction the ruler will continue spinning.

As for the second part, remember that there is a difference between the "ruler's motion" and the "motion of the ruler's center of mass".

Does this help?
 
@longball, the force exerted on the ruler will cause the ruler to spin even if it is much lighter than the ruler's weight. If the force was greater than the ruler's weight then the ruler could be "broken off" the pivot point. I think the point of the question was just to assume that the applied force was small compared to the weight of the ruler so that the ruler remains fixed at the pivot point.
 
Bacat said:
You are right that if there is no friction the ruler will continue spinning.

As for the second part, remember that there is a difference between the "ruler's motion" and the "motion of the ruler's center of mass".

Does this help?

Yes, so how will the motion of the ruler's center of mass change? And it doesn't matter how small the magnitude of the force applied is, it could still spin forever?
 

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