Rotational velocity of the ring

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The discussion focuses on the rotational dynamics of a ring and a bug moving on it, emphasizing the application of conservation laws. Participants analyze the final angular velocity of the ring and the bug, using conservation of angular momentum while noting that external torque is absent. The equations derived indicate a relationship between the bug's velocity and the ring's angular velocity. However, it is clarified that conservation of energy cannot be applied due to the work done by the bug, which alters the system's mechanical energy. The conclusion highlights the importance of recognizing internal interactions when applying conservation principles in this context.
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Wrt inertial frame with origin at the pivot,
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The final angular velocity of the ring, the bug are ## \vec ω_r ## and ## \vec ω_b ## and the final velocity of the bug is ## \vec v_b ##.
Since, there is no net external torque and force is acting on the system , conservation of angular momentum and energy could be applied.
Conservation of angular momentum about the pivot gives,
0 = I_{piv} ## \vec ω _r + 2 \vec R \times m \vec v_b ##
assuming that ## \vec v_b ## is perpendicular to ## \vec R ##,
This gives ## v_b = \frac M m ω_r R ##
Conservation of energy gives,
##\frac 1 2 m v^2 = \frac 1 2 I_{piv} {ω_r}^2 + \frac 1 2 m {v_b}^2 ##
Substituting the value of ## v_b ## in the above eqn. gives
##ω_r = \frac {mv} {R\sqrt { M ( 2m + m) }} ##
Is this correct so far?
Is
## \vec v_b = \vec ω_b \times \vec R ## ?
 
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Pushoam said:
the final velocity of the bug
Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean the velocity of the bug in the lab frame when the bug is halfway round?
Pushoam said:
conservation of angular momentum
Yes, but only if you are taking moments about the pivot.
Pushoam said:
and energy
The bug does work. You cannot use conservation of energy.
 
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haruspex said:
The bug does work. You cannot use conservation of energy.
I got it: The mechanical energy of the system due to bug's internal interactions gets changed. So, conservation of mechanical energy cannot be applied here.
 
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