Russian math and science (chemistry and physics) textbooks

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The discussion revolves around the quality and characteristics of Russian math and science textbooks, particularly in the context of learning foundational concepts in mathematics, chemistry, and physics. Participants explore the perceived superiority of these textbooks, their comprehensiveness, and their suitability for different educational levels, including K-12 and first-year college courses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Russian textbooks are indeed the 'best of the best' for math and science, citing their rigor and depth.
  • Others speculate on the reasons for the quality of these textbooks, suggesting that the academic focus of Russian scholars contributes to their excellence.
  • Concerns are raised about the accessibility of these textbooks for undergraduate students due to their academic style, which may be challenging for beginners.
  • One participant notes that some Russian textbooks may contain content derived from older British and French works, suggesting a blend of influences.
  • There is mention of specific Russian textbooks and series that are recommended for foundational learning, although some participants emphasize the need for translations.
  • Some participants express that while Russian textbooks are rigorous, they may not always provide detailed explanations, potentially disadvantaging students who rely solely on them.
  • There is a suggestion that the historical context of Russian education, including the lack of lucrative industry options, has kept many talented individuals in academia, influencing the quality of educational materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the high quality of Russian textbooks, but there is no consensus on whether they are universally the best choice for all learners. Multiple competing views exist regarding their accessibility and comprehensiveness.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the academic style of Russian textbooks may not suit all learners, particularly those new to the subjects. There are also references to the influence of historical educational practices on the development of these textbooks.

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I want to learn math and science from the ground up as my foundations are very weak. Most people I asked recommended that I try to get my hands on Russian textbooks as they are the 'best of the best'. Hearing this got me interested! I have six questions:

1. Are the Russian math and science textbooks really the 'best of the best'?
2. Why are these Russian textbooks so good?
3. I want to learn K - 12 math/science and first year college math/science from the ground up, are there translations of Russian textbooks based on what I'm looking for?
4. I will require textbooks that are comprehensive, precise, proof-based and to the point. Do most Russian textbooks do this?
5. If I go to college having done math and science only from Russian textbooks, will I be disadvantaged in any way? It seems that most Russian textbooks aren't very detailed!
6. Finally, could I please get some K - 12 math/science and first year college math/science textbook recommendations to help me learn math and science from the ground up?Thank you!
 
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I know some Russian textbooks that are all excellent, of course only in English or German translation. The following ones are classics in their field and all excellent (theoretical) physics books:

Landau, Lifshitz, Course on Theoretical Physics, 10 vols.
Among those, in my opinion, outstanding are Vol. 2 (classical field theory), Vol. V (thermodynamics and stat. phys.), vol. IX+X (quantum statistics in the Green's function representation of (nonrelativistic) QFT, kinetic theory)

Abrikosov, A. A., Gorkov, L. P., Dzialoshinski, I. E.: Quantum Field Theory Methods in Statistical Physics, Dover Publications, 1976

Bogoliubov, Shirkov, Introduction To the Theory of Quantized Fields

Faddeev, Slavnov, Gauge Fields
 
Russian textbooks are the best of the best, just do research into every book mentioned on this site
http://mirtitles.org/
whether mentioned in the comments (e.g. Kiselev Geometry) or in a post, (e.g. Piskunov Calculus). There are a lot of 50-100 page books on there that are for beginners, e.g. little mathematics library series, but just try reading every book mentioned on there for the next 2 years ;)

(Edit, I literally didn't even read your comment saying "best of the best"! No joke, I swear I said that on my own!)
 
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Hats off to every maths/physics/chemistry book published in the former USSR (including a few in Ukraine, the rest in Russia). Indeed, there's a particularity that makes Russians excellent writers+teachers.
 
AsherA123 said:
1. Are the Russian math and science textbooks really the 'best of the best'?
2. Why are these Russian textbooks so good?
1.Yes, this is true for math
2. I can just speculate
 
I have noticed things in Russian books ripped off from old British and French books a number of times. I view them as non-dumbed-down updated rewrites of those books with theoretical physicists in mind.
 
Well, it depends. Generally speaking, Russian (or, to be more precise, the Soviet period) textbooks are written in a rather "academic" style. That has two consequences. On the one hand, they may be more difficult to read for an undergraduate student trying to familiarize him(her)self with the subject. On the other hand, the authors usually try to stick to the mathematical and academic rigor of the topic, which makes the books a very good add-on to the general English-language scientific library.
In some areas, the Russians fell behind the West; in others, they achieved excellent scientific results that may be useful for Western readers.
 
"Russian Style" Abstract Algebra is tougher because they leave out what they feel is not pertinent nor exact. The book(s) are brilliant.
 
AsherA123 said:
2. Why are these Russian textbooks so good?
My guess: Because Russians did not have the option to earn big money in industry, so all the smartest guys stayed in academy.
 
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Oh yes, I have polish versions of some of the russian textbooks and problem books and dear Lorde, how good are those 💙💜🖤
 
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Demystifier said:
My guess: Because Russians did not have the option to earn big money in industry, so all the smartest guys stayed in academy.
This perhaps arises from the affinity for dialectics (from dialectical materialism) in all aspects of education and civil life. I also think the scientific and technical books were written with autodidacts in mind, as prospective future geniuses were spread over a vast area with little to no access to high quality education.
 

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