Exploring Higher-Degree Polynomials: Questions and Concepts

In summary, the conversation discusses various concepts related to higher-degree polynomials, such as the Remainder Theorem and polynomial division. The participants also discuss a problem involving variations and a probability problem. The conversation ends with a question about finding a good resource for learning probability.
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lLovePhysics
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Here are some SAT II Math IIC Questions that I have. Fun! :biggrin:

I'm in the chapter of "Higher-Degree Polynomials" right now and I have some questions concerning some facts:

How do these work?:

1) "The Remainder Theorem- If a polynomial P(x) is divided by x-r (where r is any constant), then the remainder is P(r).

So does this mean if you choose any number, for example, 5 and then divide a polynomial (lets say [tex]x^{4}+x^{3}+3[/tex]) by x-5, the remainder will always be P(5)??

Is it beneficial to test these kind of things? In order to get these kind of problems, right you really need mathematical acumen right? Should I test these out to "prove" them to myself? I've tried with this one but I ended up messing up on long division =/


Also, if a polynomial has rationa coefficients, then will it always have irrational zeros? and if a polynomial has real coefficients, does it always have complex zeros? I know that both irrational zeros and complex zeros have conjugate pairs.

Are Irrational numbers most often seen as radicals or rationals or both? Thanks for your help in advance! :smile:
 
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Wow, I tested the remainder theorem and it really does work. Why is this? Should I just memorize these "facts" or should I delve into them and find out why? I need to take this test in less than 2 months so what do you say?
 
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Did you do polynomial division to test the remainder theorem? Polynomial division is like arithmetic division...

eg: When you divide 7 by 2... you get 3 remainder 1. That means that 3*2+1 = 7, note that the remainder is always less than the divisor.

same way with polynomial division... suppose when you divide P(x) by Q(x) you get G(x) remainder H(x). That means that G(x)*Q(x) + H(x) = P(x), and also note that the degree of the remainder H(x) is always less than the degree of Q(x)... by degree I mean the highest power x in the polynomial. eg: the degree of [tex]x^5+3x^3+2[/tex] is 5.

So suppose Q(x) is of the form x-r, then the remainder H(x) will have a lower degree therefore it is a constant, call it a.

G(x)*(x-r) + a = P(x)

So calculate both sides at x = r... left side becomes a right side becomes P(r), so the remainder a = P(r)
 
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I'll try to figure that out by reading what you've said again.

I have another type of problem that I know how to solve, but I don't know if it is the "best" and a correct way to solve it.

Problem: If x varies as y and z^2, and inversely as the square root of w, what is the effect on y when x is doubled, z is halved, and w is multiplied by 4?

My Solution: I wrote out the relationship like: [tex] \frac{x*\sqrt{w}}{y*z^2}= K \\ [/tex]where k is a constant

and then I performed the procedures stated in the problem:

[tex] \frac{2*2}{(\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]

After this I simplified and got 4/ (1/4) and I noticed that y needs to be 16 in order to balance out the equation to make it equal 1. Does this method always worth with these type of variations/relationship problems? Thanks.
 
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your method was right

[tex] \frac{x*\sqrt{w}}{y*z^2}= K \\ [/tex]

but to make it slightly more rigorous and I think you'll be less likely to make a mistake... I'd do this... solve for y first since your question is asking what happens to y.

so [tex]y = \frac{x*\sqrt{w}}{K*z^2} [/tex]

so this is a function where x,y,z,w can take on different values... let y1 be the value of y, when x=x1, z=z1 and w=w1

so [tex]y_1 = \frac{x_1*\sqrt{w_1}}{K*z_1^2} [/tex]

now let y2 be the y value when x is doubled , z is halfed and w is multiplied by 4... so in the formula I put in 2*x1 insted of x1, (1/2)*z1 instead of z1 etc...

so [tex]y_2 = \frac{(2*x_1)*\sqrt{4*w_1}}{K*(\frac{1}{2}*z_1)^2} [/tex]

if you simplify and bring the constant out to the left... you'll get:

[tex]y_2 = 16* \frac{x_1*\sqrt{w_1}}{K*z_1^2}[/tex]

so [tex]y_2 = 16*y_1[/tex]

so y gets multiplied by 16.
 
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Is there a good site that teaches you Probability really well? I'm really confused about probablity sometimes. Thanks again!
 
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learningphysics said:
your method was right

[tex] \frac{x*\sqrt{w}}{y*z^2}= K \\ [/tex]

but to make it slightly more rigorous and I think you'll be less likely to make a mistake... I'd do this... solve for y first since your question is asking what happens to y.

so [tex]y = \frac{x*\sqrt{w}}{K*z^2} [/tex]

so this is a function where x,y,z,w can take on different values... let y1 be the value of y, when x=x1, z=z1 and w=w1

so [tex]y_1 = \frac{x_1*\sqrt{w_1}}{K*z_1^2} [/tex]

now let y2 be the y value when x is doubled , z is halfed and w is multiplied by 4... so in the formula I put in 2*x1 insted of x1, (1/2)*z1 instead of z1 etc...

so [tex]y_2 = \frac{(2*x_1)*\sqrt{4*w_1}}{K*(\frac{1}{2}*z_1)^2} [/tex]

if you simplify and bring the constant out to the left... you'll get:

[tex]y_2 = 16* \frac{x_1*\sqrt{w_1}}{K*z_1^2}[/tex]

so [tex]y_2 = 16*y_1[/tex]

so y gets multiplied by 16.

Ah I see. That is a very good method also! I will try to practice that more :smile:
 
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I also have trouble on this problem:

If the probability that John will buy a certain product is 3/5, that Bill will buy that product is 2/3, and that Sue will buy that product is 1/4, what is the probability that at least one of them will buy the product?

My Solution:

I just multiplied all of their probablities that they will buy the product together because they are independent events so:

(3/5)*(2/3)*(1/4)= 1/10

However, my answer is wrong but I do not know why it differs from the book's solution. The book tells you to consider the probability that none of them buys the product, which turns out to be 1/10. Then you need to subtract that from 1 to get 9/10. Why doesn't my solution work and why does it turn out to be the number in which none of them buys the product?
 
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lLovePhysics said:
I also have trouble on this problem:

If the probability that John will buy a certain product is 3/5, that Bill will buy that product is 2/3, and that Sue will buy that product is 1/4, what is the probability that at least one of them will buy the product?

My Solution:

I just multiplied all of their probablities that they will buy the product together because they are independent events so:

(3/5)*(2/3)*(1/4)= 1/10

What you have here is the probability that John buys AND Bill buys AND Sue buys. What you need is the probability that ONE OR MORE of them buys.

The list of cases you need to consider to do that would go :

John buys and BOTH Sue and Bill don't buy

OR

John buys and Sue buys but Bill doesn't buy

OR

All three buy

OR

Sue buys and BOTH John and Bill don't buy

OR ...
...

See how exhausting it is to do it the long way?

The simpler way is to realize that the complementary case to at least one of them buying (=one or more buying) is NONE of them buying. That's easy to work out as

(2/5)*(1/3)*(3/4) = 1/10

and since you want the complementary event to that, the required probability is one minus that = 9/10.


...why does it turn out to be the number in which none of them buys the product?

Coincidence.
 
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Oh ok, I see now. So do I use the same strategy when I encounter these type of "at least one" problems? Generally, I would find the complementary "None" and then subract that by 1 to find the "at least one"?

It is kind of hard to visualize or comprehend how subtracting the probability of that none would do something by 1 would give a probablity that *at least one* would do something. It seems more like.. ALL would do something. They just don't seem that complementary to me. =/

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Also, can I graph this function: [tex]y=3 \sin 2 (x+\frac{2\pi}{3})[/tex] right onto my HP 50g in this mode?: [tex]y=3 \sin (2(x+\frac{2\pi}{3}))[/tex] I've tried it and it works. I thought the 2 isn't part of the parentheses and can never be. Why does it work when I insert it on my graphing calculator?

You surely can't change [tex]y=3 \sin 2 (x+\frac{2\pi}{3})[/tex] into [tex]y=3 \sin (2(x+\frac{2\pi}{3}))[/tex] when you try to solve it by hand right? Don't you need to use the Double-Angle formula? or.. can you do it that way?
 
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Another problem:

If [tex] (x-4)^{2}+4(y-3)^{2}=16[/tex] is graphed, the sum of the distances, form any fixed point on the curve to the two foci is.

Books solution: It tells me to find a (the distance from the center to one of the vertices) and then multiply that by 2 to find the distance. Is this correct? Is it a specific forumla (i.e. how can I find it?)? Thanks.
 
  • #12
lLovePhysics said:
Oh ok, I see now. So do I use the same strategy when I encounter these type of "at least one" problems? Generally, I would find the complementary "None" and then subract that by 1 to find the "at least one"?

Yes, although you should verify the wording of the problem to make sure you've read it right.

It is kind of hard to visualize or comprehend how subtracting the probability of that none would do something by 1 would give a probablity that *at least one* would do something. It seems more like.. ALL would do something. They just don't seem that complementary to me. =/

If you're NOT buying ZERO products, you're buying AT LEAST ONE.
 
  • #13
Curious3141 said:
Yes, although you should verify the wording of the problem to make sure you've read it right.



If you're NOT buying ZERO products, you're buying AT LEAST ONE.

I mean like: 1- "None"= "At Least one" sounds kind of weird.

When I first encountered this type of problem I thought that: 1- "None" = "the total probability" or something, not just "at least one."

I can't find a way to comprehend it fully... =/
 
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lLovePhysics said:
I mean like: 1- "None"= "At Least one" sounds kind of weird.

When I first encountered this type of problem I thought that: 1- "None" = "the total probability" or something, not just "at least one."

I can't find a way to comprehend it fully... =/

Venn diagram. Makes it clearer.
 
  • #15
A way to think about the complementary probability thing... If an event A happens 2/3 of the time... then how often does it not happen? The rest of the time... which is 1-2/3 = 1/3 of the time...

If it is not the case that nobody is buying... that's exactly the same as saying that at least one person is buying... at least one means greater than or equal to 1... so everything except 0...

A way to categorize the the possibiliites is:

0 people buy
1 person buys
2 people buy
3 people buy

All events in your question fit into these 4 categories... so The probability that 0 people buy + the probability that 1 person buys + prob that 2 people buy + prob that 3 people buy= 1

Do you see that the probability that at least one person buys = probability 1 person buys + probability 2 people buy + probability 3 people buy ?

ie: everything except the possibility that 0 people buy.

I agree with Curious that a venn diagram can make it clearer.
 
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lLovePhysics said:
You surely can't change [tex]y=3 \sin 2 (x+\frac{2\pi}{3})[/tex] into [tex]y=3 \sin (2(x+\frac{2\pi}{3}))[/tex] when you try to solve it by hand right? Don't you need to use the Double-Angle formula? or.. can you do it that way?

Not sure I understood you fully with regards to the graphing... I agree that it is ambiguous without all the parentheses... [tex]y=3 \sin 2 (x+\frac{2\pi}{3})[/tex] I think is usually interpreted as:

[tex]y=3 \sin (2 (x+\frac{2\pi}{3}))[/tex]

or I think more rarely it could be interpreted as:

[tex]y=3 (\sin 2) (x+\frac{2\pi}{3})[/tex]
 
  • #17
lLovePhysics said:
Another problem:

If [tex] (x-4)^{2}+4(y-3)^{2}=16[/tex] is graphed, the sum of the distances, form any fixed point on the curve to the two foci is.

Books solution: It tells me to find a (the distance from the center to one of the vertices) and then multiply that by 2 to find the distance. Is this correct? Is it a specific forumla (i.e. how can I find it?)? Thanks.

yes, that works, but you need the vertex on the major axis... ie it's the length of the major axis you're looking for.

If you rewrite the equation of the ellipse in the right form, it will make it easier to see what you need...
 
  • #18
Thanks for all of your help guys! I really appreciate it!

I'm kind of confused about inverse functions. My text says: "The inverse of any function f can always be made a function by limiting the domain of f"

So if you limit the domain of f, you are basically limiting the range of [tex]f^{-1}[/tex] right? The inverse of any function always has the same values of the function's domain and range except that they are switched?

Also, is the universal procedure for finding inverses swapping the x and y in the function and then solving for y? (except trig functions I think) and do you always keep the magnitudes of the domain and range the same but swap them?

Added: My text also says, "A function must pass the horiz. line test to possesses a valid inverse." Does it mean inverse function because even if a function doesn't pass the horiz. line test it could still have an "inverse" right?

The horizontal line test is basically the one-to-one test? I just want to clear this up: If a function passes the horiz. line test it has an inverse function because the test-every y, only has one x *turns into* every x value only has one y value because the x and y are switched? So basically inverses have all properties of x and y switched, since you switched the x and y in the first place to find the inverse right? Anything involving the independent variable x and dependent variable y are swtiched, the domain, range, points, etc... Is this 100% correct?
 
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learningphysics said:
yes, that works, but you need the vertex on the major axis... ie it's the length of the major axis you're looking for.

If you rewrite the equation of the ellipse in the right form, it will make it easier to see what you need...

So basically 2 x the major axis = the distance from the two foci to one point on the ellipse? Is there any proof or way of verifying this visually/analytically? Or should I just memorize the relationship? :rolleyes:
 
  • #20
lLovePhysics said:
Thanks for all of your help guys! I really appreciate it!

I'm kind of confused about inverse functions. My text says: "The inverse of any function f can always be made a function by limiting the domain of f"

Hmm... that's not exactly right. Does your text distinguish between codomain and range?

If you presume that the codomain is the range of the function, then what your text says is right... because that automatically makes the function onto...

Otherwise, f may not be an onto function. In which case you'll have to restrict the codomain also to make [tex]f^{-1}[/tex] a function.

So if you limit the domain of f, you are basically limiting the range of [tex]f^{-1}[/tex] right? The inverse of any function always has the same values of the function's domain and range except that they are switched?

Yes, exactly...

do you see why you need to restrict the domain of f? suppose f is a many to one function... there's no inverse function for f because in the inverse relation one element maps to many... and that's not a function...

draw a mapping to see this...

Also, is the universal procedure for finding inverses swapping the x and y in the function and then solving for y? (except trig functions I think) and do you always keep the magnitudes of the domain and range the same but swap them?

yes, that's the procedure as long as the function is invertible... what do you mean by magnitudes of the domain and range?
 
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  • #21
lLovePhysics said:
So basically 2 x the major axis = the distance from the two foci to one point on the ellipse? Is there any proof or way of verifying this visually/analytically? Or should I just memorize the relationship? :rolleyes:

[tex]\frac{(x-4)^{2}}{4^2}+\frac{(y-3)^{2}}{2^2}=1[/tex]

4 is the length of the semi-major axis (half the major axis)...

So the number you need is 2*4 = 8 which is the length of the major axis.

so 8 is the sum of the 2 distances of the loci to the point on the ellipse.

It's a little tricky to prove. Here on wikipedia they go backwards... they define the ellipse as the set of points that have a fixed sum of distances to two points (the loci), and from there they get to the standard ellipse type equation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipse/Proofs
 
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  • #22
I see, that's a long proof there. I'm having trouble with this one too:

At the end of a meeting all participants shook hands with each other. Twenty-eight handshakes were exchanged. How man people were at the meeting?

The answer is 8 but I don't understand what formula to use. I was able to solve it using my own method (by testing out 4 people and see how many handshakes they had and then comparing).

Thanks.
 
  • #23
Call the number of people N. Each of the N people shakes hands with N-1 other people. So that's N*(N-1). But we've now counted each handshake exactly twice. Do you see why? So what's the formula for the number of unique handshakes?
 
  • #24
Dick said:
Call the number of people N. Each of the N people shakes hands with N-1 other people. So that's N*(N-1). But we've now counted each handshake exactly twice. Do you see why? So what's the formula for the number of unique handshakes?

Yeah if N *(N-1) then you need to divide by 2 to get rid of the duplicates since N*(N-1)= everyone shaking each others hands 2 times. A-B and the B-A.. So you always divide by two right? beacuse Person A and Person B can only shake hands once

Also, why does my books solution say: [tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}x\;people\\2\end{array}\right)= 28.[/tex]

What are the parentheses suppose to symbolize? Combination?
 
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  • #25
Exactly, you've got it.
 
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lLovePhysics said:
Yeah if N *(N-1) then you need to divide by 2 to get rid of the duplicates since N*(N-1)= everyone shaking each others hands 2 times. A-B and the B-A.. So you always divide by two right? beacuse Person A and Person B can only shake hands once

Also, why does my books solution say: [tex]\left(\begin{array}{cc}x\;people\\2\end{array}\right)= 28.[/tex]

What are the parentheses suppose to symbolize? Combination?

That's a special symbol. It's a combinatorial coefficient also written as C(n,2). It's n!/((n-2)!*2!). Also known as n*(n-1)/2. You also might want to figure out what C(n,k) is and why C(n,2) solves your problem. It's the number of unique pairs you can choose out of n people.
 
  • #27
Dick said:
That's a special symbol. It's a combinatorial coefficient also written as C(n,2). It's n!/((n-2)!*2!). Also known as n*(n-1)/2. You also might want to figure out what C(n,k) is and why C(n,2) solves your problem. It's the number of unique pairs you can choose out of n people.

How does: n!/((n-2)!*2!) equal: n*(n-1)/2 ?? How do you flip the (n-2) from the denominator onto the numerator?
 
  • #28
lLovePhysics said:
How does: n!/((n-2)!*2!) equal: n*(n-1)/2 ?? How do you flip the (n-2) from the denominator onto the numerator?

[itex] n!= n(n-1)(n-2)\cdot\cdot\cdot(3)(2)(1)[/itex]
[itex](n-2)!= (n-2)\cdot\cdot\cdot(3)(2)(1)[/itex]
One is in the numerator and the other in the denominator. Cancel.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
[itex] n!= n(n-1)(n-2)\cdot\cdot\cdot(3)(2)(1)[/itex]
[itex](n-2)!= (n-2)\cdot\cdot\cdot(3)(2)(1)[/itex]
One is in the numerator and the other in the denominator. Cancel.

Ohh.. I see now. Also, is there a fast way to see that sin 77 and sin 103 are of the same value? I took me a long time to figure out that they were both 77 degrees above the x axis.. Also, is there an universal formula for finding angles of the same value for sin, cos, tan? Thanks. :smile:
 
  • #30
I would suggest you make or a least look at graphs of the trig functions versus angle to see which angles have the same value. Then translate that into corresponding trig identities. Eg. sin(90-x)=sin(90+x). So if x=13, sin(77)=sin(103). There is not a universal formula - it differs for sin and cos hence for other trig functions.
 
  • #31
lLovePhysics said:
Ohh.. I see now. Also, is there a fast way to see that sin 77 and sin 103 are of the same value? I took me a long time to figure out that they were both 77 degrees above the x axis.. Also, is there an universal formula for finding angles of the same value for sin, cos, tan? Thanks. :smile:

90-77= 13 and 103- 90= 13. Look at a graph of y= sin x about x= 90 degrees.
 
  • #32
What about:

Tan (-60) equals

a) -tan 30
b) cot 30
c) -tan 60
d) -cot 60
e) tan 60

In what way could you find the answer the fastest?

Using the co-function formula, I did: 90-A=-60 so, A= 150

Tan (-60)= cot 150 but there are not answers like that. Would the fastest way be plugging them into the calc?:smile:

edit: oh yeah it is clear it is c) because tan is an odd function..
 
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  • #33
tan(-x)=-tan(x). Because sin(-x)=-sin(x) and cos(-x)=cos(x). Plugging into a calc teaches you little. Learn the symmetries of the trig functions. You can do it all from sin and cos.
 
  • #34
Draw a unit circle in the x-y plane centered on (0,0). Draw a ray at a particular angle from the positive x-axis going counterclockwise... (x,y) is the point of intersection of the ray and the circle.

x= cosine of the angle
y = sine of the angle..

So see how x and y change as the angle increases... so tan of the angle = y/x. So tan is positive when x>0 and y>0 or x<0 and y<0.
tan is negative if x>0 and y<0 or x<0 and y>0

So in the first quadrant (top right), sin>0, cos>0 and tan>0
In the second quadrant (top left) sin>0 cos<0 and tan<0
In the 3rd quadrant (bottom left) sin<0, cos<0 and tan>0
4th quadrant (bottom right) sin<0, cos>0 and tan<0
 
  • #35
How come when I graph: [tex]f(x)=\sqrt{3}\cos{x}\sin{x}[/tex] on my graphing calculator it looks like a earthquake scale on my HP 50g and then a regular cosine/sine function on my Ti84+?

On my hp50g, the maximums fluctuate ranging from .52 to 6.8?? What is happening here?

Edit: Okay, I just changed the window screen and they show a smooth graph now! I changed from like -64/64 horizontal to -2pi, 2pi...

Edit 2: Wait, both of them have different maximums of .52 to 6.8... okay this is weird.

How am I suppose to solve the problem when it asks for the amplitude and the amplitude fluctuates? Did I insert the function into the graphing calc wrong? Am I suppose to put parentheses somewhere?
 
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