Saturation and pinch off in enhancement mosfets

  • Thread starter Thread starter Genji Shimada
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Saturation
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of saturation and pinch-off in enhancement-mode NMOS transistors. Participants explore the definitions, processes, and implications of these phenomena, including their effects on current flow and channel behavior under varying voltage conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that pinch-off and saturation are closely related, with pinch-off occurring at the edge of saturation, where the inversion region under the gate is affected by increasing VDS.
  • It is noted that as VDS increases in the saturation region, the depletion region grows, while the inversion layer remains pinched off, leading to a complex relationship between voltage and current.
  • One participant raises a point about the observed behavior in lab experiments, indicating that while current is said to saturate, there is still a slight increase in current with increasing VDS, which they attribute to channel length modulation.
  • Another participant clarifies that in ideal MOSFETs, current saturation is absolute, but real MOSFETs exhibit finite output resistance, leading to minor current increases even in saturation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of saturation and pinch-off, with some asserting they are distinct concepts while others argue they are interconnected. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these phenomena on current behavior in practical applications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence of definitions on specific conditions, such as the relationship between VGS, VT, and VGD for determining pinch-off. There is also acknowledgment of the limitations of ideal versus real MOSFET behavior, particularly regarding output resistance and current saturation.

Genji Shimada
Messages
46
Reaction score
4
Hello! Is there a difference between satutation and pinch off in nmos transistors? Because my research in the internet for Mosfet pinch off leave me think that there is no difference between the two. Which confuses me, because pinch off means that there is no current at all, and saturation means that there is, but it has reached its maximum value. Also i don't think i fully understand the process of pinch off in enhancement mosfets. My understanding is that once the inversion layer is formed and a voltage is applied between the drain and the source, current start flowing. If we increase Vds too much, the strong electric field of the drain began to sink electrons from the chanel and it shrinks. If we increase it even more, the drain sinks so much electrons that basicaly a depletion layer is formed. Is that correct? Also how to determine at what value of Vds pinch off will occure?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hi Genji,

Pinch-off is the edge of saturation (the point where the triode region goes to the saturation region). it is not the current being pinched-off but rather the inversion region underneath the gate (it is pinched off right at the drain). As you increase VDS while in saturation region, the channel remains pinched off but the depletion region between the inversion layer and the drain gets larger.

Remember that in triode region the MOSFET works as a linear resistor, and when you increase VDS the inversion layer under the gate gets thinner and thinner near the drain. The current goes up also when you increase VDS because of Ohm's Law. When the inversion layer right below the gate gets so thin it disappears this is called the edge of saturation.

The value of Vds that causes pinch off is just VGS-VT since this is just the definition of saturation (VGS > VT & VGD > 0).
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Genji Shimada
analogdesign said:
Hi Genji,

Pinch-off is the edge of saturation (the point where the triode region goes to the saturation region). it is not the current being pinched-off but rather the inversion region underneath the gate (it is pinched off right at the drain). As you increase VDS while in saturation region, the channel remains pinched off but the depletion region between the inversion layer and the drain gets larger.

Remember that in triode region the MOSFET works as a linear resistor, and when you increase VDS the inversion layer under the gate gets thinner and thinner near the drain. The current goes up also when you increase VDS because of Ohm's Law. When the inversion layer right below the gate gets so thin it disappears this is called the edge of saturation.

The value of Vds that causes pinch off is just VGS-VT since this is just the definition of saturation (VGS > VT & VGD > 0).
Thank you!
 
It is said that the current saturates at a certain Vds, but actually it doesn't. There is still a very little increase in the source to drain current, may be very little , almost negligible but still there are some increment. Why is that? I got it in my lab project for MOSFET while observing the output characteristics of MOSFET.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Genji Shimada
sua217 said:
It is said that the current saturates at a certain Vds, but actually it doesn't. There is still a very little increase in the source to drain current, may be very little , almost negligible but still there are some increment. Why is that? I got it in my lab project for MOSFET while observing the output characteristics of MOSFET.

In an ideal MOSFET, the current does saturate. However, an ideal MOSFET as infinite output resistance and real MOSFETs have finite output resistance, as you have observed in your lab project. I gave the reason in an earlier comment:

analogdesign said:
As you increase VDS while in saturation region, the channel remains pinched off but the depletion region between the inversion layer and the drain gets larger.

This is called "channel length modulation" and you can look it up. The core reason is that when you increase VDS the depletion region gets larger and it makes the effective length of the MOSFET shorter. Since the drain current in saturation is proportional to W/L this means the current increase.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
21K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
19K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
19K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
7K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
10K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
39K