Finding the nth Term of Complex Sequences

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The discussion centers on finding the nth term of complex sequences, specifically a sequence of numbers: 1, 3, 15, 61, 253. Participants highlight that this sequence does not follow a simple arithmetic or geometric progression, suggesting the use of Newton's difference formula to derive a polynomial that fits the sequence. A pattern involving powers of two is noted, with calculations indicating potential formulas for predicting future terms. Additionally, the conversation touches on the concept of multiple-level sequences and the challenges in deriving a general formula for such cases. The overall consensus is that while there are methods to find nth terms, discernment of patterns is crucial.
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Homework Statement


I have two questions
1.Today,in my test paper,I got this sequence. Find the nth term formula
1,3,15,61,253
I didn't know how to start.This is clearly not an arithmetic or geometric sequence.
Any help?

2. And is there any formula for finding the nth term of sequences with multiple level?
What I mean as multiple level here is this.
2,4,6,8,10 below the sequence is the difference between two numbers.
1. 2 2 2 2

This is a first level sequence.

2,4,8,14,22
1. 2 4 6 8
2. 2 2 2

This is a 2nd level sequence.

Is there any formula for finding the nth term of n level sequences?

Homework Equations


a+d(n-1)
ar(n-1)


The Attempt at a Solution


I really don't know
 
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What was the actual question?

Did they want you to create a formula for the nth term or just predict the next number in the sequence?
 
jedishrfu said:
What was the actual question?

Did they want you to create a formula for the nth term or just predict the next number in the sequence?
Create the formula for nth term.
 
I don't think there is a generic formula that you can use here instead you must discern the pattern and write one yourself.

I see a kind of powers of two pattern in your sequence but I'm not sure if there is a simpler solution. I noticed that 1 is 2^0 and 3 is 2^2-1 ...
 
There is always formulas- generally, an infinite number of them, for any finite sequence of numbers.

One way of getting such a formula is to use "Newton's difference formula" to get a polynomial. Given n (x, y) points, there exist a unique polynomial of degree n-1 and up. We can think of the sequence 1,3,15,61,253 as given by the function f(0)= 1, f(1)= 3, f(2)= 15, f(3)= 61, and f(4)= 253.
The "first differences" are 3-1= 2, 15- 3= 12, 61- 15= 46, 253- 61= 192.
The "second differences" are 12- 2= 10, 46- 12= 34, 192- 46= 144.
The "third differences" are 34- 10= 24, 144- 34= 110.
The "fourth difference" is 110- 24= 76.

By "Newton's difference formula" these numbers are given by 1+ 2n+ (10/2)n(n+1)+(24/6)n(n+1)(n+2)+ (76/24)n(n+1)(n+ 2)(n+ 3).
 
A small correction 192-46 = 146 and so 146-34 = 112 and 112-24 = 88

I saw a curious pattern

2^0, 2^2-1, 2^4-1, 2^6-3, 2^8-3, 2^10-5 so I figured the next number would be 2^12-5 ...
 
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