Schwarzschild & Kerr black holes geometries

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The discussion centers on the geometries of Schwarzschild and Kerr black holes, focusing on the behavior of photons and massive particles near event horizons and photon spheres. Participants explore the implications of these geometries for trajectories and static conditions in the context of general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a photon crossing the event horizon of a Schwarzschild black hole cannot remain static and must fall towards the central singularity.
  • There is a discussion about the photon sphere, where it is suggested that while photons can orbit, these orbits are unstable, and if a photon crosses this sphere, it cannot remain static.
  • Others argue that a photon can cross the photon sphere while moving from lesser to greater radial coordinates, suggesting that the direction of the photon affects its trajectory.
  • In the context of Kerr black holes, participants note the presence of two horizons and the ergosphere, where a photon cannot be static and is drawn towards the singularity.
  • Questions are raised about the nature of trajectories at the crossing of the outer and inner horizons of a Kerr black hole, indicating uncertainty about what occurs in these regions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the behavior of photons near black holes, particularly concerning whether they can remain static and the nature of their trajectories at various points. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the specifics of photon behavior in these extreme environments.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific texts for further information on the geodesics in Kerr space-time, indicating that there may be limitations in their current understanding or access to comprehensive resources.

JeffOCA
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Hello

Let's consider a Schwarzschild BH.

A photon (or a massive particle) crossing the event horizon cannot be static : the r (radial) coordinate becomes a temporal coordinate. Therefore, the photon falls towards the central singularity (r=0). There is no way for him to escape : the horizon is a static limit

Now, the photon sphere is the spherical region of space where the orbital speed is equal to c. Only photons can orbit on the photon sphere but these orbits are very unstable.
If a photon crosses this sphere, can it remain static (without moving or falling towards the central singularity) ? Is going towards the singularity the only movement it can describe ?

Now, let's consider a Kerr BH. There are two horizons (inner and outer). By definition, the ergosphere is the region of space between the static limit and the outer horizon. A photon in the ergosphere cannot be static (it has crossed the static limit) and falls towards the singularity.
But, what happens at the crossing of the outer horizon and, after, when crossing of the inner horizon ? What kind of trajectories are possible ?

Thanks,
Jeff
 
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JeffOCA said:
If a photon crosses this sphere, can it remain static (without moving or falling towards the central singularity) ? Is going towards the singularity the only movement it can describe ?

If a photon crosses the photon sphere while going from greater to lesser r, it will hit the singularity. A photon can cross the the photon sphere while going from lesser to greater r. For example, a laser hovering between the photon sphere and the event horizon must be pointed "above horizontal" in order for its light to ecape. The closer the laser is to the event horizon, the more above horizontal the direction must be for escape.
JeffOCA said:
Now, let's consider a Kerr BH. There are two horizons (inner and outer). By definition, the ergosphere is the region of space between the static limit and the outer horizon. A photon in the ergosphere cannot be static (it has crossed the static limit) and falls towards the singularity.

Not necessarily. Again, this depends on the direction of the photon.
JeffOCA said:
But, what happens at the crossing of the outer horizon and, after, when crossing of the inner horizon ? What kind of trajectories are possible ?

I'll take a look at my references tomorrow.
 
JeffOCA said:
But, what happens at the crossing of the outer horizon and, after, when crossing of the inner horizon ? What kind of trajectories are possible ?

Technical reference: S. Chandrasekhar's The Mathematical Theory of Black holes, Chapter 7 The Geodesics in the Kerr Space-Time, section 63 the null geodesics,.

Non-Technical reference: Kaufmann's The Cosmic Frontiers of General Relativity, Chapter 12 The Geometry of the Kerr Solution.

Each of these books contains a wealth of good information; maybe you can get them from a library, possible through inter-library loans.
 
Thanks for these references !
 

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