Scientific Laws for Engineering Materials

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The discussion centers on the distinction between fundamental physical laws, like gravity, and empirical relationships that describe the behavior of engineering materials. These empirical relationships, referred to as physical property relationships, are derived from experimental data and apply to specific materials in various physical situations. Examples include Ohm's law for electrical resistance and Hooke's law for elasticity. While these relationships are essential for engineering applications, they are not considered fundamental laws of nature. The conversation concludes that there isn't an official name for these relationships, but they can be termed as models of material behavior.
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I have a conceptual question.

There is a law in science for every phenomenon in nature, like gravity or electric field.

But also there are laws for springs or capacitors etc... I mean the engineering materials that are produced by engineering processes, not can be found in the nature itself. Is there a name for those types of laws, the name that indicates the difference from other scientific laws?
 
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The fundamental physical laws apply to all materials. The relationships that describe the macroscopic behavior of each specific material in various physical situations are empirical physical property equations developed from experimental data. These are called physical property relationships. Examples are Ohm's law (resistance), Hooke's law (both 1D springs and 3D solids, Young's modulus, Poisson ratio), heat capacity, thermal conductivity, etc.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
These are called physical property relationships.
Physical property relationships of what?
Engineering materials.

In engineering mechanics lesson for engineering students, formulas for translational, rotational, fluid, electrical, thermal systems are given in a table with an analogy.

I am asking about these formulas. These formulas are related with engineering systems and materials, they are not like gravity and electromagnetism... Is there a special name for those formulas? How can we name it?
 
sawer said:
Physical property relationships of what?
Engineering materials.
Yes.
In engineering mechanics lesson for engineering students, formulas for translational, rotational, fluid, electrical, thermal systems are given in a table with an analogy.

Translational and rotational follow directly from Newton's second law, which applies to all materials. So they are fundamental.

Physical Property Relationships

Fluids: Newtonian fluid constitutive equation in tensorial form...Physical property = viscosity

Electrical:
Ohm's law...Physical property = resistance
Capacitors...Capacitance
Inductors,,,,,,,,,Inductance

Solid Mechanics: Hooke's law in tensorial form, Physical properties = Young's modulus, Poisson ratio

Heat Transfer: Heat conduction equation, property = thermal conductivity

Mass Transfer: Fick's law, property = diffusion coefficient

Flow in Porous Media: Darcy's law, property = hydraulic permeability

etc., etc.

Do you get the idea now?

Chet
 
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Almost. Thank you very much. Just one question.
Chestermiller said:
Translational and rotational follow directly from Newton's second law, which applies to all materials. So they are fundamental.
OK. You said these are "fundamental".
Chestermiller said:
Physical Property Relationships

Fluids: Newtonian fluid constitutive equation in tensorial form...Physical property = viscosity

Electrical:
Ohm's law...Physical property = resistance
Capacitors...Capacitance
Inductors,,,,,,,,,Inductance

Solid Mechanics: Hooke's law in tensorial form, Physical properties = Young's modulus, Poisson ratio

Heat Transfer: Heat conduction equation, property = thermal conductivity

Mass Transfer: Fick's law, property = diffusion coefficient

Flow in Porous Media: Darcy's law, property = hydraulic permeability

etc., etc.
So what can we name for those? Derived? (Derived may be too simple) Derived of/from what?
This is all I was trying to asking.
 
sawer said:
Almost. Thank you very much. Just one question.

OK. You said these are "fundamental".

So what can we name for those? Derived? (Derived may be too simple) Derived of what?
This is all I was trying to asking.
I don't think they have an official name. I call them either physical property relationships or idealized material behavior models. You can call them what you want. The important point is that you understand that they are models of material behavior rather than fundamental laws of physics.

Chet
 
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