Second order circuit need some confirmation on the steps involved.

  • Context: Engineering 
  • Thread starter Thread starter berry1991
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Circuit Second order
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving for the voltage v(t) in a second-order circuit for all t>0, specifically using second-order methods as requested in a homework problem. Participants explore various approaches to the problem, including the use of dependent sources and equivalent circuits.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines an approach using KCL and KVL to find i and v(t) before the switch is closed, indicating a methodical attempt to solve the problem.
  • Another participant suggests considering a Norton equivalent for the circuit before the switch, implying an alternative method that could simplify the analysis.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of using Laplace transforms, with one participant asserting that the homework specifically requests a second-order method, while another argues that using Laplace transforms is not necessarily cheating.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to account for the dependent source, with one proposing a conversion to a voltage of 20V based on the dependent source's relationship to current.
  • Concerns are raised about the correct representation of the Norton equivalent, with a participant noting that 20V is not a current and questioning the accuracy of the proposed Thevenin voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with multiple competing views on the use of Norton equivalents and Laplace transforms, as well as how to handle the dependent source.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of dependent sources and the definitions of equivalent circuits. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem requirements and the methods allowed for solution.

berry1991
Messages
6
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Find v(t) for all t>0. Use second order method.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Before the switch is closed:
solving for i:
-80+160i+80i+80i=0
i=0.25A

KCL:
From node v(t):
[C dv(t)/dt] + i(t) + [V(t)/4] + [(v(t)-80i)/80]+[(v(t)-80)/160] = 0

KVL:
v(t)=L di(t)/dt

Later on solve the 1st equation for i(t), then substitute into KVL equation.
 

Attachments

  • 1.jpg
    1.jpg
    13.9 KB · Views: 352
Physics news on Phys.org
Consider replacing everything before the switch with a Norton equivalent.

Have you learned about Laplace transforms yet?
 
yes, but the question ask us to use 2nd order to solve it.
Do we need to take in account for the dependent source?
we convert it to 80*0.25=20V
 
berry1991 said:
yes, but the question ask us to use 2nd order to solve it.
In my opinion, I don't think that using Laplace transforms to solve the differential equation would be cheating...
Do we need to take in account for the dependent source?
we convert it to 80*0.25=20V
Yes, the dependent source makes a difference, but you may be surprised by the resulting Norton equivalent. The Norton equivalent should have a current source in parallel with a resistance; 20V is not a current (nor is the the correct Thevenin voltage).
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
4K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K