Seeking Info on Plasma Propulsion Engine Design

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The discussion focuses on the design and functionality of plasma propulsion engines, particularly how plasma is generated using microwaves and antennas. It highlights that ionization typically occurs through a helical antenna that accelerates electrons, resulting in the formation of plasma. Xenon is commonly used due to its low ionization energy and high momentum transfer efficiency. There are inquiries about the potential for using high-velocity vortex flows in plasma systems for heat recovery and power generation, although challenges remain regarding the energy requirements for such configurations. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the complexities and innovative possibilities in plasma propulsion technology.
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I wanted to ask about plasma propulsion engine. Plasma can be made by using radio waves. How this part of device looks like?(I know something, like an antenna, is used) I searched the net, but I didn't find anything.
Thanks in advance.
P.S Please explain as simple as you can
 
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And microwaves can make ions from any gas? Can it? Because I read that usually xenon is used
 
Karoka said:
And microwaves can make ions from any gas? Can it? Because I read that usually xenon is used
Xenon or other high gram-molecular-weight (GMW) gas is used because a hi-GMW gas has the highest momentum transfer (specific thrust) per unit input energy; p = (2ME)½.

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And then again... Can you tell me how gas can be ionized, that is converted to plasma?
 
For devices like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicon_Double_Layer_Thruster"

Ionization is accomplished with a helical antenna. The antenna launches plasma waves that accelerate electrons that collide with atoms. The collision with the atom sometimes transfers enough energy to an electron in the atom that it's ejected creating an ion and an electron. If this process happens enough the gift of plasma is formed.
 
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GiftOfPlasma said:
For devices like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicon_Double_Layer_Thruster"

Ionization is accomplished with a helical antenna. The antenna launches plasma waves that accelerate electrons that collide with atoms. The collision with the atom sometimes transfers enough energy to an electron in the atom that it's ejected creating an ion and an electron. If this process happens enough the gift of plasma is formed.

I would like to ask if you know of any research that has looked at spinning the argon gas into a very high velocity vortex, somewhere in the system ? I see possibilities of heat recovery and separation of gas mass, using centrifuge effects and possible power generation from wasted heat.
This is a question based on thoughts of plasma arch in the center of a vortex, that has been in my mind for some time now.

Thanks
Ron
 
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I've seen plenty of research on vortex stabilized inductively coupled discharges. My advisor, back when I was in school, did a dissertation on http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0729782" using bluff body stabilization. I think the efforts were to make a more conventional type of rocket replacing combustion with an ICP discharge.

Space plasma propulsion using magnetic nozzles requires a much lower collision frequency to function than you would have with a vortex flow. A vortex flow stabilized plasma discharge might have more applications in something like a scram jet but your still left with the problem of powering it.
 
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