Selection of solar panels and batteries

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The discussion revolves around the selection of solar panels and batteries for a specific application involving a 12 V 100 W DC motor. Participants explore the necessary power ratings and capacities required for effective operation, considering factors such as operating time and environmental conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the selection of solar panels and batteries depends on the specific application and operational requirements.
  • One participant calculates that the minimum energy requirement for the battery is approximately 8.3 Wh based on the motor's operation time and power rating.
  • Concerns are raised about the battery not being fully charged between cycles, indicating a need for additional capacity.
  • Participants discuss the importance of accounting for cloudy days and ensuring that the solar cells can provide sufficient energy over time.
  • Another participant proposes that a 20 W solar panel and a 24 Ah battery should be adequate for the operation, given the expected sunlight availability in India.
  • Calculations are presented suggesting that the energy produced by the proposed solar panel setup would be significantly higher than the minimum requirement for the motor.
  • One participant mentions the necessity of using a charge controller to manage the charging process effectively.
  • There is a question about whether to choose a 12 V 12 Ah or a 12 V 24 Ah battery, with a later reply indicating that both options should work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to consider specific application requirements and environmental factors when selecting solar panels and batteries. However, there are varying opinions on the exact specifications and capacities needed, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exact capacity needed for the battery, as it may depend on factors such as charging efficiency and environmental conditions. There are also unresolved considerations about the optimal voltage matching between solar panels and battery systems.

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is there any procedure ( formulae ) to select the power rating of solar panels and ampere hour rating of batteries ?
 
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It depends on the application.
 
mfb said:
It depends on the application.

it is to charge a battery which inturn provides the supply for a 12 V 100 W DC motor ... the operating time of the motor is 5 minutes intermittent cycle of 4 cycles in a day
 
Well, that helps a bit, but it is still a bit vague:

100W for 5 minutes are 100W*300s= 30kJ = ~8.3Wh. This is the minimum requirement for your battery, unless you want to rely on sunshine directly at the time of the motor operation.
8.3Wh at 12V correspond to 8.3Wh/(12V) = .69 Ah.

In general, your battery won't get fully charged between cycles, so I guess you'll need more capacity. If your solar cells are sufficient to provide the power for a day even if it is cloudy, a capacity for 4 cycles could be sufficient. Otherwise, you could need more capacity.

The required peak power rating of the solar cells depends on the amount of sunshine you get, and the battery capacity. The average energy per day has to be at least the required energy for the motor operation, but there should be some additional safety factor for cloudy days/weeks.

Matching the voltage is another thing you have to take care of - if the output voltage of the solar cells is not 12 Volts, you get some conversion losses.
 
mfb said:
Well, that helps a bit, but it is still a bit vague:

100W for 5 minutes are 100W*300s= 30kJ = ~8.3Wh. This is the minimum requirement for your battery, unless you want to rely on sunshine directly at the time of the motor operation.
8.3Wh at 12V correspond to 8.3Wh/(12V) = .69 Ah.

In general, your battery won't get fully charged between cycles, so I guess you'll need more capacity. If your solar cells are sufficient to provide the power for a day even if it is cloudy, a capacity for 4 cycles could be sufficient. Otherwise, you could need more capacity.

The required peak power rating of the solar cells depends on the amount of sunshine you get, and the battery capacity. The average energy per day has to be at least the required energy for the motor operation, but there should be some additional safety factor for cloudy days/weeks.

Matching the voltage is another thing you have to take care of - if the output voltage of the solar cells is not 12 Volts, you get some conversion losses.


can a 20 W solar panel and a 24 Ah battery will be more than enough for this operation ? considering our place in India we get a minimum 5 hrs of intense sunshine a day ...
 
20W*5h = 20J/s*5*3600s = 360kJ. Should be more than sufficient, especially with the large battery that can store enough energy for a few days.

Just keep in mind that you need some controlled way to charge the battery with the right voltage and current range.
 
mfb said:
20W*5h = 20J/s*5*3600s = 360kJ. Should be more than sufficient, especially with the large battery that can store enough energy for a few days.

Just keep in mind that you need some controlled way to charge the battery with the right voltage and current range.

hmm yes ... i'll be using a 12 V 10 A charge controller ...
can i go for a 12 V 12 Ah or a 12 V 24 Ah battery ?
 
Sorry for the late reply: both should work.
 

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