Semi-hard Projectile Motion Problem.

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a fireman directing a stream of water at an angle towards a building. The problem specifies the initial conditions, including the distance to the building and the initial speed and angle of the water stream.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to calculate the time it takes for the water to reach the building based on horizontal displacement. There are attempts to clarify the use of kinematic equations for both horizontal and vertical motion. Some participants express confusion about finding the height at a specific distance rather than the total flight height.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly in calculating the time to reach the building and using that time to find the corresponding height. There is acknowledgment of the calculations made, but no consensus on the correctness of the final height value has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of distinguishing between total flight information and the specific conditions at the 50-meter mark. There is also mention of the highest point reached by the projectile and the implications for the calculated height at the building.

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Ok, I've just come across a confusing projectile motion problem. I have my own solution for it from the work that I have done so far. Please help me finish the problem for the information I have so far. Thanks a lot!:-p

Problem: A fireman, 50m away from the burning building, directs a stream of water from a ground level fire hose at an angle of 30 degrees above the horizontal. If the speed of the stream as it leaves the hose is 40 m/s, at what height will the stream of water strike the building?

My solution so far from the work I have done.
Ok, first I found the x and y independent velocity components of 40m/s at 30 degrees above horizontal. Vy=20m/s; Vx=34.64 m/s

I found the time to the highest point, 2.041s; therefore the time of the total flight is 4.082s.

Then I found x (total distance traveled) which is 141.4m

Then I found the highest point which is 20.41m

But the I realized that I had to find the height of when it reaches the building 50 meters away... I have all the information for the TOTAL FLIGHT. How am I suppose to find the height of when the distance is 50m?? Do I substitute 50m for X=Xo+Voxt+.5AxT^2?? Then I find the time of that distance, then the height?? What am I doing wrong here??

At first, I wanted to find all the info of the TOTAL FLIGHT then try to come up with a coordinate for 50m, but now I realized that it would be hard to graph it. I don't know what to do, I haven't really done a lot of these problems before.


However, I understand the basic concepts of how to find the information of these kind of projectile motion problems. Thanks a lot for you help!:-p
 
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Since, [tex]x(t)=v_{0x}t[/tex], you can easily find the time it takes to reach the building by plugging in the distance from the building and the x-component of the initial velocity. Further on, use that time in the equation of displacement for the y-direction to obtain the height.
 
So is this correct?:

50m=Vxo*t
50m=34.64m/s*t

t=50m/(34.64m/s)

Then you plug the time in for y=Vyot+.5gt^2:

y=20m/s*t+.5(-9.8m/s^2)(t)^2

So that would be the height of where the water hits the building at 50m away?
 
Yes, it should be, after you plug in t = 50/34.64 sec.
 
Alright, that's what I was thinking of before. I get it now, thanks for your help! :-p I wasted all my time finding the total information =P
 
you need to find the time when the horizontal displacement is 50, and then find the vertical displacement at that point.

I got t= 5/3
 
maaan, you guys reply so fast!
 
Ahmedstein said:
you need to find the time when the horizontal displacement is 50, and then find the vertical displacement at that point.

I got t= 5/3
The time would be:

Avg. V= X/t

t=X/V

So the displacement would be 50m and the Avg. velocity or Vxo would be 34.64m/s. I already found the Vxo component in the beginning.

Therefore the time would be: 50m/34.64m/s :-p

Btw, the answer that I got for the height of the building that the water hits is: 18.66 meters.

18.66m makes sense because the highest point(total) would be 20.41m. The highest point's time is 2.041 seconds. For the time of 50m I got 1.4434s which would make the 18.66m be pretty accurate.
 
Can anyone check to see if 18.66 m is the correct height? Thanks :smile:
 
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AznBoi said:
The time would be:

Avg. V= X/t

t=X/V

So the displacement would be 50m and the Avg. velocity or Vxo would be 34.64m/s. I already found the Vxo component in the beginning.

Therefore the time would be: 50m/34.64m/s :-p
yeah dude, my bad.. but it's not the average velocity it's just the x component of V which is constant at each point. anyway

Y = 20*1.44 - 0.5*9.8*1.44^2
= 18.64 Hooooray
 

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