Separable differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation of the form \(\frac{du}{dt} = e^{5u + 7t}\) with the initial condition \(u(0) = 6\). Participants are exploring methods to separate variables and integrate the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the equation to separate variables, with one suggesting the expression can be rewritten as \(e^{5u} \cdot e^{7t}\). Questions arise about handling the natural logarithm of negative values and the role of the integration constant.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply logarithmic properties and integration constants. Some participants have provided guidance on rewriting expressions and integrating, while others express confusion about the implications of negative logarithmic values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there may be gaps in understanding due to missed lectures on separable differential equations, which could affect their ability to follow the discussion.

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Homework Statement



\frac{du}{dt} = e^{5u + 7t}

Solve the separable differential equation for u:

Use the following initial condition: u(0) = 6.

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to take the natural log of each side but now I'm stuck. How can I separate the equation when both the u and t terms are an exponent? And how can I use u(0) = 6? Sorry if I'm clueless, I missed a bunch of lectures on separable differential equations.
 
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Loopas said:

Homework Statement



\frac{du}{dt} = e^{5u + 7t}

Solve the separable differential equation for u:

Use the following initial condition: u(0) = 6.

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to take the natural log of each side but now I'm stuck. How can I separate the equation when both the u and t terms are an exponent? And how can I use u(0) = 6? Sorry if I'm clueless, I missed a bunch of lectures on separable differential equations.

##a^{x+y}=a^x\cdot a^y ##
 
What do you remember about working with powers? Can you write an expression like ##e^{a+b}## a different way?

Edit: Sammy told you the answer while I was typng :smile:

The general solution to the differential equation will contain an arbitrary constant. You can eliminate that using the initial condition u(0) = 6.
 
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Ok so I can rewrite as:

\frac{du}{dt} = e^{5u} * e^{7t}

e^{-5u} du = e^{7t} dt

After finding the antiderivatives I cross-multiplied:

5e^{7t} = -7e^{-5u}

\frac{-7}{5} = \frac{e^{7t}}{e^{-5u}}

\frac{-7}{5} = e^{7t + 5u}

This is now where I'm running into a problem. When I try to natural log both sides to get rid of the e and bring down the 7t + 5u exponent, this means I have ln(\frac{-7}{5}) on the other side of the equation, which is unreal. Did I do something wrong or is there some sort of way to work around this?
 
Loopas said:
Ok so I can rewrite as:

\frac{du}{dt} = e^{5u} * e^{7t}

e^{-5u} du = e^{7t} dt

After finding the antiderivatives I cross-multiplied:

5e^{7t} = -7e^{-5u}

\frac{-7}{5} = \frac{e^{7t}}{e^{-5u}}

\frac{-7}{5} = e^{7t + 5u}

This is now where I'm running into a problem. When I try to natural log both sides to get rid of the e and bring down the 7t + 5u exponent, this means I have ln(\frac{-7}{5}) on the other side of the equation, which is unreal. Did I do something wrong or is there some sort of way to work around this?

You forgot the +C part when you integrated.
 
Do I add a constant to both sides of the equation?

e^{-5u} + C_{u} = \frac{-5e^{7t}}{7} + C_{t}
 
Loopas said:
Do I add a constant to both sides of the equation?

e^{-5u} + C_{u} = \frac{-5e^{7t}}{7} + C_{t}
That would be silly.

You could then replace C_{t}-C_{u} with C
 
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Got it, thanks guys!
 

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