Setup an integral for the curve

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The problem involves setting up an integral for the curve defined by the equation x = sqrt(64 - y^2) within the bounds of -4 ≤ y ≤ 4. Participants are tasked with identifying the graph and finding the length of the curve.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the function and the setup of the integral for the length of the curve. There are questions about the correct application of differentiation rules and the transition from one form of the integral to another. Some participants express uncertainty about how to graph the function.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the differentiation process and the formulation of the integral. Some participants have made progress in solving the integral but continue to seek guidance on graphing the function. Multiple interpretations of the integral setup are being explored.

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Participants are navigating through the constraints of the problem, including the need to differentiate correctly and the challenge of visualizing the graph of the function. There is mention of homework rules that may limit the type of assistance provided.

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Homework Statement


for the curve x= sqrt(64-y^2), -4<=y<=4

(identify from multiple choice
1. setup an integral for the curve.
2. identify the graph
3. find the length of the curve.

Homework Equations


x = sqrt(64-y^2), -4<=y<=4

The Attempt at a Solution


1. dx/dy = y*sqrt(64-y^2)
2. (dx/dy)^2 = y^2 * (64-y^2)
3. integral (-4 to 4) sqrt(1 + 64y^2 - y^4)

1. however, the answer for integral for the length is
L=Integral(-4,4) 8(64-y^2)^(-1/2) dy. I'm not sure how they got that?

2. I'm not sure how to graph this function.
 
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hi whatlifeform! :smile:
whatlifeforme said:
x = sqrt(64-y^2), -4<=y<=4

1. dx/dy = y*sqrt(64-y^2)

no, you've correctly got the 2y and the 1/2,

but you haven't differentiated the function: the √ should become 1/2 1/√ :wink:

(generally, ()n in the chain rule becomes n()n-1)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi whatlifeform! :smile:


no, you've correctly got the 2y and the 1/2,

but you haven't differentiated the function: the √ should become 1/2 1/√ :wink:

(generally, ()n in the chain rule becomes n()n-1)
what do you mean?
 
i've got L = integral (-4,4) sqrt (1 + (y^2)/(64-y^2)) dy

however, I'm not sure how to get to: L=Integral(-4,4) 8(64-y^2)^(-1/2) dy
 
update: got it solved. but I'm still not sure how to graph this function.
 
whatlifeforme said:
update: got it solved. but I'm still not sure how to graph this function.
What do you get if you square both sides to get rid of the square root? Do you recognise the form that results?
 
ie, what is x2 = 64 - y2 ? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
ie, what is x2 = 64 - y2 ? :smile:

the graph of?
 
x2 + y2 = a2

is an origin-centered circle with radius a
 

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