Shear stress direction and the velocity gradient

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of shear stress direction and velocity gradients in fluid mechanics, particularly in laminar flow scenarios. Participants explore the implications of shear stress on fluid elements in pipes and between parallel plates, examining how these stresses are determined and their directional characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the behavior of fluid elements in laminar flow, questioning how the direction of stress is determined on different surfaces of a fluid element.
  • Another participant suggests examining the shear stresses on a radial shell of fluid, providing equations for shear stress at different radial locations.
  • Concerns are raised about the negative unit vector in the shear stress expression and the reasoning behind considering only external fluid effects on the shell.
  • A participant references the Cauchy stress relationship to explain how stress can be determined on surfaces of arbitrary orientation.
  • Discussion includes the representation of stress tensors and the application of these concepts to specific problems in fluid mechanics.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the derivation and implications of the stress tensor in the context of laminar flow.
  • Questions arise regarding the relationship between traction vectors and net forces acting on fluid elements, with attempts to clarify these concepts through equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the application of stress tensors and shear stress concepts. There is no consensus on the interpretation of certain mathematical expressions or the implications of the Cauchy stress relationship, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the stress tensor and its application, with some expressing that they are still grappling with foundational concepts. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations that have not been fully resolved.

  • #31
sir but how to get the term in #19 ? and sir one more doubt If we have a cubical element how we are going to write the term #19 ? Is it going to remain the same??
 
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  • #32
Rahulx084 said:
sir but how to get the term in #19 ? and sir one more doubt If we have a cubical element how we are going to write the term #19 ? Is it going to remain the same??
The term in #19 follows from the equations for the stress tensor components for a viscous Newtonian fluid. Are you familiar with these equations?

When you have a cubical element (or rectangular parallelepiped), you use the stress tensor in component form for Cartesian coordinates.
 
  • #33
I think I'm not familiar with that. Actually sir this isn't in my course but I'm learning it because it seems so interesting plus your great explanations . Can you provide me with only the results of cubical element or if there is any source where I can find it so that I can look after , or maybe you tell me sir.
 
  • #34
Rahulx084 said:
I think I'm not familiar with that. Actually sir this isn't in my course but I'm learning it because it seems so interesting plus your great explanations . Can you provide me with only the results of cubical element or if there is any source where I can find it so that I can look after , or maybe you tell me sir.
See page 29 of http://web.mit.edu/2.25/www/pdf/viscous_flow_eqn.pdf
 
  • #35
can you just give me the result for stress tensor of cubical and parallelopiped one ? It would be so nice of you . Thanks
 
  • #36
Rahulx084 said:
can you just give me the result for stress tensor of cubical and parallelopiped one ? It would be so nice of you . Thanks
See Eqns. 43 of that same reference.
 

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