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I was responding to and reflecting on Evo's speculation about the involvement of others in the Muslim community.russ_watters said:There was a married couple who assisted (only the husband was prosecuted), but that's it. Otherwise it was a totally self contained and isolated conspiracy. That's what makes it so difficult to find and stop them.
True lone wolves are pretty rare, in my estimation, for radical Islamic terrorists because they are created by the global community of radical Islam. They can be difficult to track for the opposite reason: there are so many. But that just means we need to put in a lot of effort (and we do).
Consider the Boston Marathon bombers. The actual plot was totally self contained and could almost be called "lone wolf". But their radicalization was totally out in the open/public - enough that Russia(!?) warned us twice to pay attention to the family. So they succeeded in part because we weren't quite vigilant enough and in part because the plot itself was isolated.
These guys are being grown because of a global support network -- a culture -- of hate/terrorism. It is a disturbing development in what I thought prior to 9/11 was a world that was growing more civilized.
In the case of McVeigh and Nichols, the did have affiliations with one or more militia groups and McVeigh spent time with a white supremacist group.
http://www.historycommons.org/timel...nizations=haitian_elite_2021_michigan_militia
None of the militia or white supremacist folks notified the FBI or other authorities of any of that. At the time, the FBI and other agencies investigated any leads to various domestic terrorist or anti-government groups, no knowing who else might have been involved. The Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL together monitor more than 900 hate groups.Enraged by the debacle in Waco (see April 19, 1993), McVeigh and Nichols begin experimenting with explosives on James Nichols’s farm, meeting with members of the nascent Michigan Militia (see April 1994), and proposing to launch violent attacks on judges, lawyers, and police officers (see April 19, 1993 and After). McVeigh and Nichols find the militiamen too inactive for their taste. (Michigan Militia spokesmen will later claim that they ejected Nichols and his brother James from their group for their “hyperbolic language”; after the bombing, militia leader Norm Olson will say, “These people were told to leave because of that type of talk of destruction and harm and terrorism.”)
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In October, they drive to Elohim City, a white supremacist compound in eastern Oklahoma (see 1973 and After), where they meet with at least one member of the Aryan Republican Army (see 1992 - 1995).
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http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism
http://www.denverpost.com/firstinthepost/ci_12615628Berg, who was Jewish, gained a strong following in the early 1980s through talk radio, where his liberal views mixed with a combative and often-abrasive on-air persona. In the process, he ignited the anger of The Order, a splinter group of the Aryan Nation white nationalist movement that financed its anti-government goals with bank robberies in the Pacific Northwest — before turning to murder.
The Order or the other 900+ hate groups do not represent the vast majority of Americans, or Christians. The Kouachi brothers and Al Qaida do not represent Islam or the vast majority of Muslims.