Showing Commutator Relations for [L^2, x^2]

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The discussion revolves around the commutation relation involving the angular momentum operator squared, L^2, and the squared position operator, x^2. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that [L^2, x^2] equals zero, but expresses confusion regarding the interpretation of x^2 in the context of the problem.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the commutator [L^2, x^2] and question the meaning of x^2, with one participant suggesting that it may refer to the sum of squared position operators in three dimensions (X^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the original problem statement and addressing potential misunderstandings. One participant has acknowledged confusion due to lack of sleep, which may be affecting their reasoning.

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There is a mention of a homework template that should be used for posting, indicating that adherence to forum guidelines is important. Additionally, the original poster's state of fatigue is noted as a potential factor in their confusion.

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I'm doing something horribly wrong in something that should be very easy. I want to show that:

[L^2, x^2] = 0

So:

[L^2, x x] = [L^2, x] x + x [L^2, x]

L^2 = L_x^2 + L_y^2 + L_z^2

Therefore: [L^2, x] = [L_x^2 + L_y^2 + L_z^2, x] = [L_x^2, x] + [L_y^2, x] + [L_z^2, x]

= L_y [L_y, x] + [L_y, x] L_y + L_z [L_z, x] + [L_z, x] L_z

= -i h L_y z - ih z L_y + i h L_z y + i h y L_z

So

[L^2, x x] = -i h L_y z x - ih z L_y x + i h L_z y x + i h y L_z x<br /> + -i h x L_y z - ih x z L_y + i h x L_z y + i h x y L_z

And now?

This ought to be a lot easier.
 
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Observer Two said:
I'm doing something horribly wrong in something that should be very easy. I want to show that:

[L^2, x^2] = 0
Where did this exercise come from? I suspect you misunderstand what ##x^2## means here, but I can't be sure without seeing the original unedited question.

(BTW, you're supposed to use the homework template when posting in this forum -- else you risk attracting the Wrath of the Mentors.)
 
Ughy. You are right. I looked it up again and it's not actually x^2 as in "position operator squared" but X^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2.

I didn't sleep for 29 hours now, working for some exams. I'm slightly confused. My bad. Next time I'll use the exact template. :redface:
 
Observer Two said:
I didn't sleep for 29 hours now, working for some exams. I'm slightly confused.
This is a really bad technique. You are probably more confused than you realize, maybe even approaching a delirium state. Non-sleeping is counter-productive. Things that take ages to understand or perform while tired tend to be much quicker when you're fresh.

Go and sleep (even if just for a few hours -- set the alarm clock accordingly).
 

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