Showing that the following are equivalent

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In summary, The conversation is about reducing a problem to show that ||x||^2 = (2/3)|x_1|^2 + (1/6)|x_1 - √3x_2|^2 + (1/6)|x_1 + √3x_2|^2, where x is a vector in ℝ^2. The person asks if there is any way to simplify this further, to which the other person responds that it is just basic algebra and that the sign of x_1 and x_2 does not matter.
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Homework Statement



I had this posted under a different question a while back and didn't get any responses, so I thought I'd rephrase it. I've reduced it to what I think I'm supposed to show. (Here's the old post: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4260206#post4260206 ... Disregard the actual coefficients, I fudged those a bit.)

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I have to show the following:
##||x||^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

##x\in\mathbb{R}^2##, so ##x=(x_1,x_2)##, and the left side can be rewritten so that I have
##|x_1|^2+|x_2|^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

Is there any way to do this?
 
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SithsNGiggles said:

Homework Statement



I had this posted under a different question a while back and didn't get any responses, so I thought I'd rephrase it. I've reduced it to what I think I'm supposed to show. (Here's the old post: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4260206#post4260206 ... Disregard the actual coefficients, I fudged those a bit.)

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I have to show the following:
##||x||^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

##x\in\mathbb{R}^2##, so ##x=(x_1,x_2)##, and the left side can be rewritten so that I have
##|x_1|^2+|x_2|^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

Is there any way to do this?
|a + b|2 = (a + b)2

The rest is pretty basic algebra.

Merely expand the right hand side & collect terms.
 
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SammyS said:
|a + b|2 = (a + b)2

The rest is pretty basic algebra.

Merely expand the right hand side & collect terms.

Is it really that simple? I was getting the impression I couldn't do that. I thought for some reason that the sign of x1 or x2 would make a difference. Thanks a lot!
 
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SithsNGiggles said:
Is it really that simple? I was getting the impression I couldn't do that. I thought for some reason that the sign of x1 or x2 would make a difference. Thanks a lot!
If a+b ≥ 0 , then it's pretty obvious that |a+b|2 = (a+b)2 , since |a+b| = a+b .

If a+b < 0 , then |a+b| = -(a+b), so that |a+b|2 = (-(a+b))2. But that's obviously equal to (a+b)2.
 
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Oh I see it now, thanks! I was thinking that the sign of x1 and x2 would have some effect on the sum. Thanks again.
 

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