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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the equivalence of two expressions involving the norm of a vector in \(\mathbb{R}^2\). The original poster seeks to show that \(\|x\|^2\) can be expressed as a combination of squared terms involving \(x_1\) and \(x_2\), specifically focusing on the coefficients and the algebraic manipulation required to establish this relationship.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to rewrite the left side of the equation to match the right side, questioning the validity of their approach. Some participants suggest expanding the right-hand side and collecting terms as a potential method to simplify the problem. Others express uncertainty about whether the signs of \(x_1\) and \(x_2\) would affect the outcome.

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Participants are exploring the algebraic manipulation necessary to show the equivalence of the two expressions. There is a recognition of the simplicity of the algebra involved, but also a lingering concern about the implications of the signs of the variables. Guidance has been offered regarding the expansion of terms, and some clarity has emerged regarding the approach.

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Participants note that the original problem was rephrased from a previous post that did not receive responses. There is an acknowledgment that the coefficients in the expressions may have been altered, which could affect the discussion.

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I had this posted under a different question a while back and didn't get any responses, so I thought I'd rephrase it. I've reduced it to what I think I'm supposed to show. (Here's the old post: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4260206#post4260206 ... Disregard the actual coefficients, I fudged those a bit.)

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I have to show the following:
##||x||^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

##x\in\mathbb{R}^2##, so ##x=(x_1,x_2)##, and the left side can be rewritten so that I have
##|x_1|^2+|x_2|^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

Is there any way to do this?
 
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SithsNGiggles said:

Homework Statement



I had this posted under a different question a while back and didn't get any responses, so I thought I'd rephrase it. I've reduced it to what I think I'm supposed to show. (Here's the old post: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=4260206#post4260206 ... Disregard the actual coefficients, I fudged those a bit.)

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I have to show the following:
##||x||^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

##x\in\mathbb{R}^2##, so ##x=(x_1,x_2)##, and the left side can be rewritten so that I have
##|x_1|^2+|x_2|^2 = \frac{2}{3}|x_1|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1-\sqrt3x_2|^2+\frac{1}{6}|x_1+\sqrt3x_2|^2##

Is there any way to do this?
|a + b|2 = (a + b)2

The rest is pretty basic algebra.

Merely expand the right hand side & collect terms.
 
SammyS said:
|a + b|2 = (a + b)2

The rest is pretty basic algebra.

Merely expand the right hand side & collect terms.

Is it really that simple? I was getting the impression I couldn't do that. I thought for some reason that the sign of x1 or x2 would make a difference. Thanks a lot!
 
SithsNGiggles said:
Is it really that simple? I was getting the impression I couldn't do that. I thought for some reason that the sign of x1 or x2 would make a difference. Thanks a lot!
If a+b ≥ 0 , then it's pretty obvious that |a+b|2 = (a+b)2 , since |a+b| = a+b .

If a+b < 0 , then |a+b| = -(a+b), so that |a+b|2 = (-(a+b))2. But that's obviously equal to (a+b)2.
 
Oh I see it now, thanks! I was thinking that the sign of x1 and x2 would have some effect on the sum. Thanks again.
 

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