How Much Weight Can the Sign Hold Without Breaking the Cable?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the maximum mass of a sign supported by a cable without exceeding a tension limit of 380 N. The user initially applied torque equations based on equilibrium but encountered errors in their calculations, particularly with the angle used in the sine function. After adjusting the equation to incorporate the correct sine of the angle, the user still arrived at an incorrect mass value. Participants suggest checking the angle and calculations for accuracy, emphasizing the importance of using the correct trigonometric functions. The thread highlights the complexities of applying torque and equilibrium principles in physics problems.
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Homework Statement


A 120-cm-wide sign hangs from a 5.4 kg, 200-cm-long pole. A cable of negligible mass supports the end of the rod as shown in the figure.

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What is the maximum mass of the sign if the maximum tension in the cable without breaking is 380 N?

Homework Equations


\Sigma \tau = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


It is my understanding that the above equation is an adaptation of Newton's Second Law, \vec{F}=ma. Since the system is at equilibrium, the torque evaluates zero. I summed up the torque forces, and set them equal to zero.

\Sigma \tau = 0
-m_{s}gr_{s}-m_{b}(g)(r_{b})+\vec{F}(r_{c})(atan(250/200)) = 0

I calculated r_{s} by taking the center of the sign and adding the initial space of 80cm from the left wall.
r_{s} = 0.80 + (1.20 / 2) = 1.40

I calculated r_{b} by taking the length of the main bar and, since it has uniform density, simply divided the length by two.
r_{b} = 2 / 1 = 1

Plugging in the values I have, I compiled this equation:
-m_{s}(9.8)(1.40)-5.4(9.8)(1)+380(2)(atan(250/200)) = 0

Solving for m_{s} (the mass of the sign), I get m_{s} \approx 46, but that was judged as incorrect. I believe my error may be in the atan(250/200) at the end of my equation.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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The torque exerted by the cable is Frsin(theta). You used Fr*theta.
 
Alright, so I modified my equation to -m_{s}(9.8)(1.40)-5.4(9.8)(1)+380(2)(sin(atan(250/200))) = 0, which results in 18, but that is still incorrect. Is there something else I am doing wrong?
 
Just thought I'd add that I have made sure to use degrees... that is the correct route to go, right?
 
How may degrees did you get? Check the angle and/or your math.
 
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