Signals sent during relativistic space travel

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The problem involves a scenario where a rocket traveler, Amelia, sends signals back to Earth while traveling to a planet 12 light-years away at a speed of 0.6c. The question focuses on determining how many signals Earth receives by the time Amelia returns, considering relativistic effects such as time dilation and the Doppler effect.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the number of signals received based on the relativistic Doppler effect and length contraction, but expresses confusion over the discrepancy in the expected number of signals. Some participants question the treatment of time dilation in Amelia's frame versus Earth's frame.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of time dilation and how it affects the signal reception rate. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider time dilation effects, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted complexity in accounting for the relativistic effects from both Amelia's and Earth's perspectives, which may influence the calculations and assumptions made in the problem.

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Homework Statement


Suppose rocket traveler Amelia has a clock made on Earth. She flies to and back from a planet 12 light-years away (as measured from rest with respect to Earth) from Earth at a speed of 0.6c. Every year she sends a signal to Earth. How many signals does Earth receive by the time she gets back?


Homework Equations


f = f'*[sqrt((1-u/c)/(1+u/c))]
(relativistic Doppler shift)
L = Lo*sqrt(1-u^2/c^2)
(relativistic length contraction)

The Attempt at a Solution


The distance to the planet for Amelia is shorter than 12 light-years. It is 9.6 light-years. So she takes 16 years (as she measures them) to get there and 16 to get back.

On the way there, by the relativistic Doppler equation I know that Earth receives her signals at a rate of 0.5 signals every Amelia-year, and on her way back Earth receives her signals at a rate of 2 signals every Amelia-year.

There are 16 Amelia-years in the trip to the planet, and 16 in the trip from the planet. So the total number of signals is

16*0.5 + 16*2 = 8 + 32 = 40.

But that is wrong, because it should be 32 signals, if she sent one every year, since her trip lasted 32 years to her.

How am I doing this wrong?
(Thanks.)
 
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You calculated the distance in Amelia's frame of reference but did not account for the slowing of time in her frame.
 
Ta-Da! Thank you, Halls of Ivy, that was kind of you. That's a load off my mind.
 
I'm dabbling over the same question but how would that time dilation effect be? Would it be affecting the 32 years time? or, since the Earth has a relativistic speed of 0.6c relative to Amelia, should we consider the effect on Earth's time?

Thanks
 

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