Significant Figures in Scientific Notation

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of significant figures in the context of a problem involving relative error calculations. Participants are trying to understand the expression 0.5x10^(2-m) and its implications for determining the number of significant figures required in successive estimates.

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  • Participants are exploring the meaning of the expression 0.5x10^(2-m) and questioning how it relates to significant figures. There are discussions about whether the expression can yield different values and how that affects the number of significant figures. Some participants are also clarifying the distinction between significant figures and decimal places.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the expression and its relevance to the problem. There is a recognition of the need to differentiate between significant figures and decimal places, and some participants express confusion about the author's presentation of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem requires at least two significant figures, and there is some uncertainty regarding the author's assumptions and the clarity of the problem statement. The expression 0.5x10^(2-m) is not explicitly defined earlier in the question, leading to questions about its use and meaning.

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I don't understand this question . The author want the at least 2 significant correct . why 0.5x10^(2-m) is used ?

It's not clear that the author want the answer to be less than 5 ?50? 0.5 ? 0.05 ?or 0.005?

Can someone explain it ?

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Hi fondeh:

I do not understand what you do not understand.

The author is describing the calculation of relative error between two successive estimates. The maximum for an acceptable relative error is given by the expression
0.5x10^(2-m), where m is the largest value that makes the expression larger than the a particular relative error.​
The the desired number of significant figures is 2. Therefore when the realtive error for an iteration produces m=2 to get the desired inequality, then that is the desired iteration.

Hope this helps some.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
Hi fondeh:

I do not understand what you do not understand.

The author is describing the calculation of relative error between two successive estimates. The maximum for an acceptable relative error is given by the expression
0.5x10^(2-m), where m is the largest value that makes the expression larger than the a particular relative error.​
The the desired number of significant figures is 2. Therefore when the realtive error for an iteration produces m=2 to get the desired inequality, then that is the desired iteration.

Hope this helps some.

Regards,
Buzz
since the largest significant figure is 2 , why shouldn't the 2-m = 2 , m = 0 ?
 
given that 0.5x10^(2-m) , no matter it's 0.5 , 0.05 , 0.005 , it's still 1 significant right ?
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi fondeh:

I do not understand what you do not understand.

The author is describing the calculation of relative error between two successive estimates. The maximum for an acceptable relative error is given by the expression
0.5x10^(2-m), where m is the largest value that makes the expression larger than the a particular relative error.​
The the desired number of significant figures is 2. Therefore when the realtive error for an iteration produces m=2 to get the desired inequality, then that is the desired iteration.

Hope this helps some.

Regards,
Buzz

The 0.5x10^(2-m) is not given earlier in the question , it's given in the solution there ( author assume himself 0 ? why don't the author use fixed value ? e.g. 0.5 ? 0.05 ? or 0.005? .
why he use 0.5x10^(2-m) ?
 
The question asks for the number of iterations for successive answers to agree in two decimal places. This means that the answers have to differ by less than 0.5 X 10^(-2), or .005.
 
Mark44 said:
The question asks for the number of iterations for successive answers to agree in two decimal places. This means that the answers have to differ by less than 0.5 X 10^(-2), or .005.
0.5 X 10^(-2), or .005 is 3 decimal place , right ?

btw , the question ask for at least 2 significant figure , right ?? not decimal place ...
 
fonseh said:
btw , the question ask for at least 2 significant figure , right ?? not decimal place ...
fonseh said:
given that 0.5x10^(2-m) , no matter it's 0.5 , 0.05 , 0.005 , it's still 1 significant right ?
fonseh said:
since the largest significant figure is 2 , why shouldn't the 2-m = 2 , m = 0 ?
Hi Fonesh:
You are right. 2 significant figures , not decimal places.

Regarding "0.5 , 0.05 , 0.005 , it's still 1 significant", what is desired is the iteration which first shows 2 significant figures. The number of significant figures in the value of the expression 0.5x10^(2-m) is not relevant.

The author's intention is to teach you about the expression 0.5x10^(2-m) as a way to determine the number of significant figures in an iteration. Since 2 figures are wanted, m=2 when the desired iteration satisfies the inequality about the relative change between two consecutive iterations. That means that the iteration for which m= 2 (or 0.5x10^(2-m)=0.5%), which means the relative difference < 0.5%, is the desired iteration.

I think the way the author presented this without any discussion to explain it is unfortunate. It would perhaps have been clearer if the author had written, "0.5x10^(2-m)%".

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Regarding "0.5 , 0.05 , 0.005 , it's still 1 significant", what is desired is the iteration which first shows 2 significant figures. The number of significant figures in the value of the expression 0.5x10^(2-m) is not relevant.
I agree. In my earlier post I was thinking in terms of two decimal places, not two significant digits.
 

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