Simple logic diagram-with switch and resistor

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a simple logic diagram involving a switch and resistors, focusing on the output voltage when the switch is open and the implications of resistor behavior in circuits. Participants explore concepts related to voltage, current, and circuit analysis, including the voltage divider rule and the relationship between voltage and resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the output voltage is equal to V+ when the switch is open, despite no current flowing.
  • Another suggests applying the voltage divider rule by treating the switch as a resistor with two possible states (open or closed).
  • A participant explains that if a pull-up resistor is present, the output node receives the full current from the power supply, raising questions about current flow without a ground connection.
  • There is a discussion about why the total voltage drops across a single resistor, with one participant asserting that resistors do not consume voltage but rather drop it, and that power is consumed as V*I.
  • Some participants emphasize that the voltages in a circuit loop must total to zero, and that a load is necessary to measure voltage accurately.
  • One participant proposes using the voltage divider rule to analyze how varying resistance affects voltage drop.
  • Questions arise regarding the definition of current as I = V/R, particularly in scenarios where resistance is negligible, such as between two resistors and the Earth.
  • A later reply mentions that real wires have small resistances that can generate voltage drops, suggesting that this should be considered in circuit analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of voltage in circuits, particularly regarding whether resistors consume or drop voltage. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the need for a load in circuits to measure voltage, while others discuss the implications of varying resistance on voltage drop without resolving the underlying assumptions about circuit behavior.

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Homework Statement



Why is it that the output is equal to V+ (when the switch is open) in diagram A, if there is no current flowing?

Why is it that A (1/0) is used by convention? I mean the lamp I got at home has a "0" for off and "1" for on, on the switch. This is confusing me.

Homework Equations




High= 1
Low = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



Not sure at all.
 

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Suggestion: Apply the voltage divider rule assuming the switch to be a resistor which can have one of two values (∞ or 0) depending on whether it's open or closed.
 
leave voltage diving rules and others.

very simply,
if upper resistor (called Pull up resistor)-----is present while lower (called Pull down)
resister is not present,
that means that total amount of current coming from power supply V+,
will pass through the o/p node.
thus,
o/p node gets full amount of current coming from power supply V+.


** the reason of your confusion is,
there is no connection made to ground, then how does the current flows through network.
but, there is always a load (or any other network, that is connected to GND obviously.)
so, current flows through that path.

Hope your confusion will be solved.
Best of Luck.
 
Oh thanks. I also want to know if there is only 1 resistor in a circuit, why is it that the total V+ will be dropped across the resistor, even if V=100V, I mean what if that resistor is small and only consumes a bit of V?
 
Resistors don't consume V. They flow a current proportional to whatever V is applied to their terminals. They consume power which is V*I.

The voltages in a circuit loop must total to 0.
 
Antiphon said:
Resistors don't consume V. They flow a current proportional to whatever V is applied to their terminals. They consume power which is V*I.

The voltages in a circuit loop must total to 0.


yes.
that's right.
whenever that type of ckt you will see
you think like a o/p network is attached with it.
this type of ckt is made for this purpose
you think, that without any network or resister at o/p ,
how can you measure the voltage.
even if you measyre with a voltmeter or multi-meter, there will also be a resitor to measure it.
and low resistance case is discussed in just above post.
 
While resistors don't "consume" voltage they do "drop" voltage. That is why I suggested using the voltage divider rule (substituting a resistance for the switch) and see what happens as you vary the bottom resistance from some finite value down to zero and then up to infinity.
 
Why also is it that current is defined as I = V/R all over a circuit? As in why is it that the current where the circuit has no resistance different? e.g. voltage line between 2 resistors and line between Earth and a resistor.
 
SyNtHeSiS said:
Why also is it that current is defined as I = V/R all over a circuit? As in why is it that the current where the circuit has no resistance different? e.g. voltage line between 2 resistors and line between Earth and a resistor.

A real wire has a real (but very small) resistance. So the current flowing through it does generate a small voltage drop. You can figure out how much the drop will be, based on wire resistance tables and the current that is flowing.

Wire resistance table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge

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