Simple Parallel Plate Capacitor Question

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The discussion revolves around the electric field and voltage difference in a parallel plate capacitor, specifically addressing the implications of charge density definitions and the effects of having two surfaces per plate. Participants explore the formulas for electric field and voltage, questioning whether an additional factor of two should be included due to the dual nature of the plates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the electric field between the plates should be expressed as \(\frac{2 \cdot \sigma}{\epsilon}\) and the voltage difference as \(\frac{2 \cdot Q \cdot d}{\epsilon \cdot A}\) due to the presence of two plates with equal and opposite charges.
  • Another participant explains that if \(\sigma\) is defined as the charge density on each surface of the plates, then the total charge on each plate is \(Q = 2\sigma A\), leading to a consistent electric field of \(\frac{2\sigma}{\epsilon}\) but ultimately resulting in the same voltage formula \(V = \frac{Qd}{\epsilon A}\).
  • There is a suggestion that \(\sigma\) could also be defined as the total charge density on each plate, which would eliminate the factor of two, maintaining the electric field as \(\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon}\) and the voltage as \(V = \frac{Qd}{\epsilon A}\).
  • Participants express a shared sentiment of confusion regarding the definitions and explanations provided in textbooks and online resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the factor of two should be included in the electric field and voltage formulas. Multiple viewpoints regarding the definitions of charge density and their implications remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights ambiguities in the definitions of charge density and the resulting calculations for electric fields and voltages in parallel plate capacitors. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the interpretation of charge density as it applies to the surfaces of the plates.

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Assuming a Parallel Plate Capacitor of area A, separation distance d, plate charges [tex]\pm Q[/tex]: and plate charge densities [tex]\pm\sigma[/tex]:

In my textbook and in Wikipedia,

Electric Field of a charged plane with large or infinite area: [tex]\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon}[/tex]
Electric Field between plates of parallel plate capacitor: [tex]\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon}[/tex]
Voltage difference between plates of parallel plate capacitor = [tex]\frac{Q \cdot d}{\epsilon \cdot A}[/tex]

My question is since a parallel plate capacitor contains two plates of equal and opposite charge, shouldn't there be an additional factor of two? In other words,

shouldn't the net electric field between the two plates be: [tex]\frac{2 \cdot \sigma}{\epsilon}[/tex]
and shouldn't the voltage difference between the two plates be: [tex]\frac{2 \cdot Q \cdot d}{\epsilon \cdot A}[/tex]
 
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MassimoHeitor said:
Electric Field of a charged plane with large or infinite area: [tex]\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon}[/tex]
Ah... this is not the first time I've come across this particular conundrum.

That formula applies to the case of a conductor with one plane surface, where the entire charge density [itex]\sigma[/itex] lies on that one surface. But each plate in a capacitor has two surfaces. If you define [itex]\sigma[/itex] as the charge density on each of those surfaces individually, the total charge on each plate is
[tex]Q = 2\sigma A[/tex]
so the charge density on each surface is
[tex]\sigma = \frac{Q}{2A}[/tex]
In this sense, yes, the electric field at the center is
[tex]\frac{2\sigma}{\epsilon}[/tex]
but that still works out to
[tex]V = \frac{Qd}{\epsilon A}[/tex]
which you could also calculate from Gauss's law.

It is also possible to define [itex]\sigma[/itex] as the total charge density on each plate, i.e. as the sum of the charge densities on both sides of the plate. In that case, the factor of 2 disappears, so that
[tex]Q = \sigma A[/tex]
But with this definition of [itex]\sigma[/itex], the electric field between the plates is just [itex]\sigma/\epsilon[/itex], so it still works out to
[tex]V = \frac{Qd}{\epsilon A}[/tex]
 
diazona said:
Ah... this is not the first time I've come across this particular conundrum.

Ah... two-sided plates. Makes perfect sense. I wish they explained that in my textbook or in Wikipedia...
 
MassimoHeitor said:
Ah... two-sided plates. Makes perfect sense. I wish they explained that in my textbook or in Wikipedia...
Me too - that particular ambiguity has caused a lot of confusion.

Which Wikipedia page did you look at? Maybe it needs to be clarified.
 

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