Simple probability question on combinatorics

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The discussion centers on calculating the probability of withdrawing a total of k balls from an urn containing n red and m blue balls, with the condition that r red balls must be drawn. The solution involves determining the sample space and the event where the kth ball is the rth red ball. There is confusion regarding the use of combinations, specifically why (n)C(r-1) is used to select r-1 red balls from n, while considering the order of drawing balls. The key point is that the first k-1 balls must include exactly r-1 red balls, with the kth ball being red, which clarifies the approach to the problem. Understanding this ordering is crucial for correctly applying combinatorial principles in the solution.
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I am trying to understand the question:

An urn contains n red and m blue balls. They are withdrawn one at a time until a total of r(r≤n) red balls have been withdrawn. Find the probability that a total of k balls are withdrawn.

The solution is given as,
Sample Space:
(n+mk−1)×(n+m−k+1),
Event(kth ball is rth red ball)=(n)C(r−1)×(m)C(n−r)×(n−r+1)


I also don't understand why the solution use (n)C(r-1)x (m)C(n-r);
I think the ordering of drawing the red balls and the blue balls are important, such that RBBR
is different from BBRR. But the solution says (n)C(r-1), which means choosing (r-1) red balls from n red balls, and choose the remaining (n-r) from the blue balls.

This as if saying that they want the combination of R1 B1 B2 R2 and that's different from
R3 B3 B4 R5
Any ideas?

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hi kougou! :smile:
kougou said:
An urn contains n red and m blue balls. They are withdrawn one at a time until a total of r(r≤n) red balls have been withdrawn. Find the probability that a total of k balls are withdrawn.

i'm not sure i understand what you're asking :redface:

the question is asking for the number k such that the first k-1 balls contain exactly r-1 reds, and the kth ball is red (out of the remaining n-r+1 reds and … blues)
 
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