# Homework Help: Simple Question to do with TORQUE on a helicopter

1. Jul 16, 2012

### 06mangro

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

If the force pushing the helicopter blades from the pivot point surely r is 0... therefore T (torque) is 0 also....

2. Relevant equations
r is the Length from pivot point to force
F is force
τ= r × F ×sin(θ)

3. The attempt at a solution

2. Jul 16, 2012

### tiny-tim

welcome to pf!

hi 06mangro! welcome to pf!
ah, but the force actually comes from the outside of a shaft …

so r is the radius of that shaft

3. Jul 16, 2012

### 06mangro

Re: welcome to pf!

would it be possible to elaborate on what you mean.... and where this shaft would be on the chopper

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4. Jul 16, 2012

### tiny-tim

i'm not knowledgable on helicopter construction,

but clearly the engine is attached to a cylindrical shaft that goes up to the centre of the blades …

exactly like the axle going to the centre of a wheel​

the outside of the shaft turns the blades, in the same way that the outside of the axle turns the wheel

5. Jul 16, 2012

### 06mangro

thank you very much :)

6. Jul 16, 2012

### 06mangro

one more thing...
so does that mean the blades do not create torque....
only the shaft does?

or does it mean that that the torque is transferred into the blades in a sense...???

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7. Jul 16, 2012

### tiny-tim

the shaft creates a torque on the blades

by good ol' newton's third law, there's an equal and opposite reaction …

the blades create an equal and opposite torque on the shaft

8. Jul 17, 2012

### CWatters

For your purposes you can probably treat the rotor like the spokes on a rigid wheel.

The blades on some helicopters are (in effect) rigidly connected to the shaft. Others have a lead-lag hinge that allows the blade to swing back and forth (normally only a little) for quite technical reasons.

Even if it had a big floppy hinge the hinge is outboard from the shaft so it's a bit like swinging buckets around your head. Having a hinged handle on the bucket isn't a problem.