Simple Tangential Acceleration Problem

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems: one involving the tangential acceleration of a uniform rod pivoted at one end and another concerning the apparent weight of a student on a roller coaster at different points in a vertical loop. The subject areas include rotational dynamics and circular motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate torque and angular acceleration to find the tangential acceleration of the rod's end, questioning the discrepancy in their result compared to the expected answer. They also explore the role of the center of mass in their calculations. Another participant clarifies the concept of apparent weight in the context of forces acting on the student in the roller coaster scenario, while the original poster seeks further understanding of the forces involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problems. Clarifications regarding the center of mass and the interpretation of apparent weight have been provided, but there is no explicit consensus on the tangential acceleration problem yet.

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A uniform rod of length L and mass M is pivoted at one end (O) and is released from rest in a horizontal position. The moment of inertia of the rod about one end is I = (mL^2)/3 . The initial tangential acceleration fo the far end A of the rod would be?

This is part of my review for my AP Physics C test. I thought first maybe I could use torque in some way

T= rF = LMg
And [tex]T[/tex] [tex]= I \alpha[/tex]

So, I equated the torque statements thus having

[tex]LMg[/tex][tex]= (1/3)(ML^2)(\alpha)[/tex]

This lead me to the result of 3g/L = [tex]\alpha[/tex]
and by the identity [tex]a = r \alpha[/tex] I got 3g = acceleration. This is not the right answer. The correct answer is 3g/2, as opposed to my 3g. Where did the 1/2 come from? Thanks!

Wait...I think I figured it out...is it hte fact that in T = rF, the r is referring to 1/2 the Length, not the full length?
 
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Yes, the gravitational force always acts on the center of mass of an object. In this case, since the rod is of uniform mass density, the center of mass is also the center of the rod.
 
Excellent. Thank you very much!

However, I have one more pesky question that I actually am not too sure how to work. Any advice would be helpful.

A 800 Newton student has an apparent weight of 600 Newtons at the top of a vertical circular loop of a roller coaster. The car has a uniform speed v and is upside dwn inside the circular path of the roller coaster. The apparent weight of the student when the car is at the lowest point would be...

I attempted to draw myself a diagram. I said the centripetal force would be pointing towards the center, the weight would be pointing downwards, but wasn't too sure how the "weight the student feels" would be doing. I assumed downwards in direction also, but I don't know. (Note: this is me analyzing when the kid is at the top of the roller coaster, just so I can familiarize myself with the situation.)

Any advice or help would be kindly appreciated!
 
By "apparent weight" they mean what a scale that the student was sitting on would read. So gravity is pulling the student down with a force of 800N but the net force on him (due to gravity and the acceleration of the roller coaster) is 600N into his seat (i.e. straight up).
 

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