Simple Vector / Plane question

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The problem involves calculating the distance from the origin to a plane defined by a point and a normal vector. The vector components and point coordinates are provided, and there is a specific inquiry about the orientation of the plane relative to the vector from the origin.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the dot product and its implications for determining the orientation of the plane. There are questions about the proper calculation method and the interpretation of positive versus negative results.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering guidance on the calculation of the dot product and its significance. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the meaning of the results in the context of the problem.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that the dot product is calculated correctly, and participants are questioning assumptions about the relationship between the vector and the plane. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the geometric implications of the results.

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Homework Statement


If (3,2,2) are the Cartesian components of vector a and (2,2,1) are the Cartesian coordinates of a point Q, calculate the distance of a plane through point Q and normal to vector a from the origin.

State whether the plane is in the direction of a from the origin or not.

Homework Equations



(° = dot product)

p = n̂ ° r

The Attempt at a Solution



a = (3,2,2)
therefore magnitude of a = √17
unit vector of a = 1/√17 (3,2,2)

p = n̂ ° r
p = 1/√17 (2,2,1) ° (3,2,2)
p = 1/√17 (6,4,2)The second part of the question above asks "State whether the plane is in the direction of a from the origin or not." Wasn't sure how to do this. If the question was about them being orthogonal I'd have used dot product = 0.
 
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Hi ZedCar! :smile:

You have not calculated the dot product properly yet.
You should also sum the products of the components.

The resulting number can be positive or negative.
What would be the meaning if it is negative?
 
The nearest point on the plane to the origin is, geometrically, where a line through the origin perpendicular to the plane crosses the plane. So one way to solve this problem is to find where that line crosses the plane.

And, as I like Serena suggests, the question "State whether the plane is in the direction of a from the origin or not" is not one of perpendicularity or not- that's always true. The question is whether the given a points from the origin to the plane or the opposite direction: from the origin away from the plane.
 
Thanks guys!

So the fact that the dot product answer is a positive value indicates that the plane is in the direction of a from the origin.

I like Serena said:
You have not calculated the dot product properly yet.
You should also sum the products of the components.

Do you mean, the dot product answer should be;

(6/√17 , 4/√17, 2/√17)
 
ZedCar said:
Do you mean, the dot product answer should be;

(6/√17 , 4/√17, 2/√17)

No.
The dot product is defined as:
[tex](a,b,c) \cdot (x,y,z) = ax+by+cz[/tex]

And since your problem asks for a distance, the result should not be a vector but a number.
 
Okay.

I'm getting then, 12/√17 for the distance answer.

The fact that this answer is a positive value indicates that the plane is in the direction of a from the origin?
 
ZedCar said:
Okay.

I'm getting then, 12/√17 for the distance answer.

The fact that this answer is a positive value indicates that the plane is in the direction of a from the origin?

Yep! :smile:
 
Thanks very much! :smile:
 

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