Simplify this algebraic expression

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the algebraic expression 12x³ + 8x² / 6x² + 4x. Participants are exploring the correct interpretation of the expression and the rules of simplification involved in algebraic fractions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to simplify the expression and questions how to apply the rules of dividing powers when coefficients differ. Some participants suggest using parentheses for clarity and point out the importance of correctly interpreting the expression. Others discuss the conditions under which terms can be canceled in algebraic fractions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts and providing feedback on the need for clarity in notation. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the expression's structure and the rules of simplification, with no consensus reached yet on a final simplified form.

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There is an emphasis on the correct use of parentheses to avoid misinterpretation of the expression. Participants are also considering the limitations of the original expression in terms of its domain.

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I have been asked to simplify this one:

12x3 + 8x2 / 6x2 + 4x

By factoring it out I have simplified it to 4x2 / 2x

Is there anything I can do to simplify it further? I know the rules of dividing powers and hence if it was 4x2 / 4x I know I could simplify it to to 4x (subtract the powers). however, I am not sure how this rule works when the coefficients of x are different as in this case.
 
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Use parentheses!

Your work so far is correct. Since there are factors in common in the numerator and denominator, your result can be simplified.
 
Try factoring out 2x/2x from the equation and see what you get.
 
That should just be one 2x. Oops.
 
Gringo123 said:
I have been asked to simplify this one:

12x3 + 8x2 / 6x2 + 4x

By factoring it out I have simplified it to 4x2 / 2x

Is there anything I can do to simplify it further? I know the rules of dividing powers and hence if it was 4x2 / 4x I know I could simplify it to to 4x (subtract the powers). however, I am not sure how this rule works when the coefficients of x are different as in this case.

As you have it written your expression reads

<br /> 12x^3 + \frac{8x^2}{6x^2} + 4x<br />

- if this is what you intended, it does not simplify to 2x

If, on the other hand, you intended to write

<br /> \frac{12x^3 + 8x^2}{6x^2 + 4x}<br />

it still does not simplify to 2x.
 
Gringo123 said:
I have been asked to simplify this one:

12x3 + 8x2 / 6x2 + 4x

statdad said:
As you have it written your expression reads
12x^3 + \frac{8x^2}{6x^2} + 4x

This is why I have pointed out to you several times the need for parentheses. Here's how your expression should be written if you aren't able to format it nicely in LaTeX.
(12x3 + 8x2) / (6x2 + 4x)

You are obviously a motivated math student, and have sought help here at PF a number of times. Don't make us work have to work at trying to divine what you mean by having to incorrectly interpret what you have written.
 
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And to elaborate slightly on statdad's remark, that it still doesn't simplify to 2x, the expression 2x can be evaluated for every real value of x, while your original expression cannot be evaluated at every real x.
 
Remember, you can cancel items which are factors in a product , but not those that are terms in sums

For example, the following is correct.

<br /> \frac{2x^3+6x}{2x^2+6x}= \frac{2x(2x^2+3)}{2x(2x+3)} = \frac{2x^2+3}{2x+3}<br />

(I canceled a factor of 2x from top and bottom)

but the next is not correct.

<br /> \frac{2x^3+6x}{2x^2+6x} = \frac{2x^3}{2x^2}<br />

(I incorrectly canceled 6x from top and bottom).
 
statdad said:
Remember, you can cancel items which are factors in a product , but not those that are terms in sums

For example, the following is correct.

<br /> \frac{2x^3+6x}{2x^2+6x}= \frac{2x(2x^2+3)}{2x(2x+3)} = \frac{2x^2+3}{2x+3}<br />

(I canceled a factor of 2x from top and bottom)

but the next is not correct.

<br /> \frac{2x^3+6x}{2x^2+6x} = \frac{2x^3}{2x^2}<br />

(I incorrectly canceled 6x from top and bottom).


erm.. 2x^2 +6x =/= 2x(2x+3)

2x^2 +6x = 2x(x+3)

typo >.< lol
 
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Jake4 said:
erm.. 2x^2 +6x =/= 2x(2x+3)

2x^2 +6x = 2x(x+3)

typo >.< lol

Typo? You are being too kind: it's a full-blown error. Thanks for pointing it out. (The rest of my post stands, I think :) )
 

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