Simulating a NAND/AND gate in Emitter Coupled Logic?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on simulating an AND/NAND gate using Emitter Coupled Logic (ECL). Participants explore the challenges of implementing such gates in ECL, which is typically associated with OR/NOR configurations. The conversation includes inquiries about bias voltages and circuit design specifics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to determine the appropriate values for bias voltages (VBB1, VBB2) in their ECL circuit design.
  • Another participant notes that VBB is the bias voltage used to indicate input states but struggles to find specific voltage values.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article that illustrates a bias network for OR/NOR functions, suggesting it may not directly apply to AND/NAND configurations.
  • One participant points out that while the referenced document shows VBB for a NOR function, it provides a voltage range for VBB applicable to AND/NAND circuits.
  • A participant proposes that the voltage settings for NAND gates may differ due to additional Vbe considerations, suggesting a method to calculate VBB2 based on input voltages.
  • Another participant describes the underlying principle of the circuit as similar to a differential amplifier configured as a comparator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of bias voltages in ECL for AND/NAND gates, with no consensus on specific voltage values or configurations. Multiple viewpoints on the design and calculations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference external sources for voltage specifications and circuit examples, indicating potential limitations in the provided information and the need for further clarification on the application of ECL in this context.

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Homework Statement


I need to simulate a AND/NAND gate with Emitter Coupled Logic. As I'm sure that most of you know, ECL is mostly used to make OR/NOR gates, so finding out how to make a NAND/AND gate is not as easy as it sounds.


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I attached an image of a possible model that I found online. However, how do I know which values I should put in order to make the circuit work? How do I know which voltages should be in VBB1, VBB2, etc?

Thanks
 

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jean28 said:
How do I know which voltages should be in VBB1, VBB2
I did a web search and VBB is the bias voltage use to determine if an input is "true" or "false", but I couldn't find the specific voltages.
 
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jean28 said:
That is for OR/NOR functions.
True, but it does show that VBB for Q3 is -1.29V, while VCC is -5.2V, the same as your AND / NAND circuit. In general, VBB is set to the middle of the .8 voltage difference beween a logic "0" and a logic "1". I found an ECL document that specifies the voltage range for VBB as well as the other voltage ranges:

https://smartech.gatech.edu/jspui/bitstream/1853/32110/1/PG_TR_050518_RJP.pdf
 
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I think it will be slightly different for the NAND because if you follow the path from INB to VBB2 there is an aditional Vbe compared to a NOR. It goes...

INA - Vbe -Vbe +Vbe = VBB2

So set INA to mid way between logic 1 and 0 and you can calculate VBB2.

For INB it's..

INB - Vbe + Vbe = VBB1

Basically the principle is that of a differential amp/long tailed pair configured as a comparator (eg one input fixed voltage).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_amplifier
 

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