Skier on a snowball (Newtonian Mechanics)

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The problem involves a skier sliding down a giant snowball, modeled as a sphere, with negligible friction. The objective is to determine the angle θ_f at which the skier will lose contact with the surface, utilizing principles of dynamics including energy conservation and the behavior of normal force as the skier descends.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss energy conservation, identifying initial and final kinetic and potential energies. There is an exploration of the forces acting on the skier at the point of departure, particularly the role of gravitational force and normal force.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the forces acting on the skier and the nature of radial acceleration. There is an ongoing examination of the relationship between acceleration and velocity, with attempts to connect these to the angle of departure. Multiple interpretations of the forces and their directions are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential confusion regarding the definitions of forces and accelerations, particularly in the context of the skier's motion and the conditions at the point of losing contact with the surface.

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Homework Statement


A skier slides down a giant snowball (= sphere of radius R) with negligible friction. H starts at the top with very small velocity. Determine the angle θ_f where the skier will come off the surface. Use these principles of dynamics: (1) Energy is a constant of the motion. (2) The normal force of the contact decreases as the skier descends, and N = 0 at the point where the skier comes off the surface. (3) a = R*alpha*t(hat) - R*(w^2)*r(hat) where a is the acceleration vector, t(hat) is the time vector, and r(hat) is the position vector.


Homework Equations


E = KE + U where E is energy, KE is kinetic energy, and U is potential energy (I understand these may not be the standard)
KE = (1/2)mv^2



The Attempt at a Solution


For this problem, I am at a loss for what to do. I've worked it out a few times, taking into account all the factors. Using the first principle, I determined the initial kinetic energy is 0 as the initial velocity is so small, it's negligible, and the initial potential energy is merely 2Rmg. Next, I determined the final kinetic energy to be (1/2)mv^2 and final potential to be mg(R+Rcosθ_f).
Therefore, the energy equation is: 2Rmg = (1/2)mv^2 + mg(R+Rcosθ_f)

Next, I considered the fact that the centripetal force = the normal force, therefore at the point when the skier leaves the surface, the acceleration is only reliant on the tangential acceleration.

This is where I get confused. I can't seem to figure out how to make the connection between the acceleration and velocity for this problem, and be able to solve for θ_f.

Where should I go from here, assuming I'm even on the right track.
 
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derravaragh said:
the centripetal force = the normal force
That's wrong. You were given, correctly, that at point of departure the normal force will be zero. What are all the forces acting on the skier at this point?
 
The gravitational force, which I took to be just F_g = -mg at this point because there is nothing below him until he reaches the ground. The only other force I can think of would be the force of his motion.
 
derravaragh said:
The gravitational force, which I took to be just F_g = -mg at this point because there is nothing below him until he reaches the ground. The only other force I can think of would be the force of his motion.
Right (but motion is not a force... you may be thinking of inertia, which is momentum).
What is the skier's acceleration in the radial direction (you previously named this)? Since, a microsecond before losing contact, gravity is the only force available to provide that acceleration, what equation can you write?
 
Ok, so the radial acceleration is what I called centripetal acceleration, so (and this may be wrong way of looking at it, but I'm going for the end result) mg = m*a_c where a_c = (v^2)/R therefore g = (v^2)/R and (v^2) = Rg which I can plug into an equation I came to before to obtain an angle of 60°.
 
derravaragh said:
Ok, so the radial acceleration is what I called centripetal acceleration, so (and this may be wrong way of looking at it, but I'm going for the end result) mg = m*a_c where a_c = (v^2)/R therefore g = (v^2)/R and (v^2) = Rg which I can plug into an equation I came to before to obtain an angle of 60°.
Right idea, but notice that g is not in quite the right direction. What component of g is?
 

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