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But energy is also fully material, so spirit must be by that argument material.
Originally posted by Royce
In one sense enegry is a barrier, we as beings of one form can not cross or change form. In another sense, energy is not just the medium but it is all that there is in one form or another.
Originally posted by Tom
"Conscious energy" is a fabrication of the religious mind, and has no connection to what physicists call "energy". [/B]
Indeed Royce. With one spheric brane you have enough. On local spots 'pelastrations' (penetrations through an unbreakable membrane) create double zones (holons) coupled by a type of pressure valve. these holons can also be called quanta or even condensates.Originally posted by Royce
Pal, It seems to me that you are talking about cosmological branes and in that way they are actual interacting barriers if they do infact exist.
Yes but in each holon you have several of these branes laying over each other and they are all the time oscillating. But there is also the possibility that the spirit reality can be explained by the distant (non-local) communications between holons because specific excitations in one holon can be conducted OVER the membrane (since all layers in all holons come from the same membrane). Just compare this by us now using the Internet. This approach offers the possibility to link "holons" (like particles, atoms, genes, DNA, cells, humans, trees, earth, etc) with "communication". That's is solving the major enigma of the interconnectivity.Originally posted by Royce
Are you thinking that the spiritual reality can or does occupy one brane and the physical reality another?
Indeed. With this approach you can explain what LIFE is and MIND (or consciousness).Originally posted by Royce
If so this is an interesting twist to brane, reality hypothesis. I hadn't thought of it that way before. It could indeed explain a lot couldn't it.
So perhaps energy becomes the barrier -- or "membrane" -- of which matter and spirit exists on either side?Originally posted by pelastration
But you will understand that those two sides are all the time influencing each other. The barrier gives the interconnectivity.
The barrier or membrane - seen as unbreakable and almost infinite elastic - is imo the only source. From this we can come up with a lot of combinations in layering. Indeed matter and spirit can be on both sides too ... but once they couple inside a holon you have automatically a mirroring situation.Originally posted by Iacchus32
So perhaps energy becomes the barrier -- or "membrane" -- of which matter and spirit exists on either side?
This is indeed a consequence of this concept. There is no lost of energy. When we die we decouple our spiritual body - with holding it's essential spiritual knowledge knots - from the material body.Originally posted by Iacchus32
By the way, do you believe that spirits exist as entities in and of themselves?
Is energy by its nature intelligent? Or, does intelligence "rule" the use of energy? This is why I think a spiritual world exists, within its own parameters, much in the way a material world exists within its parameters. Whereas the spiritual world signifies the intelligence, which operates and passes through the energy medium or barrier, by which the material world becomes manifests and comes into being -- to serve as "God's footstool" so to speak.Originally posted by pelastration
The barrier or membrane - seen as unbreakable and almost infinite elastic - is imo the only source. From this we can come up with a lot of combinations in layering. Indeed matter and spirit can be on both sides too ... but once they couple inside a holon you have automatically a mirroring situation.
Yes, it is a perceptual trap, but one which can hardly be avoided. Much in the way a caterpillar can hardly understand what it means to be a butterfly, that is, until that time comes ...You will understand that in this concept the discussion between matter and spirit make not really sense because it touches both. They are united in the concept. If someone says to me: this is a pure materialist theory ... I will confirm it ... but I will also confirm that it is a pure spiritual concept ... because duality is just a perceptual trap. It depends from what side you look to it.
Originally posted by Iacchus32
By the way, do you believe that spirits exist as entities in and of themselves?
I think that if we have order set against the backdrop of chaos, then what it suggests to me is that God "does" know His purpose.Originally posted by Hegira
Here's something a bit "off the wall":
What if what we believe to be our Spirit and every thing we know or percieve is only a memory replayed by God!?
What I mean is... If God is "perfect", then it may atone by seeking out flaws amongst a seemingly unified chaos. More so it must still have a purpose, yet God may not KNOW its purpose and thus is compelled to search for it.
Of course what is a God without His creation? In which case one would almost have to think that His creation should be endowed -- or, at least appear in that sense -- with the capacity to act independently from its creator, otherwise how could you distinguish between the two? How could it be determined whether He existed or not?If "GOD" suddenly came to be instanly, then wouldn't there still be the eternal pondering of why!? Or how!? If so, then each and every thing within the known universe could be a "cell" manifested within their respective time-space (within God), set aloft to act out God's existence and play their part in an almost neverending mathematical equation.
I believe this "seeking" aspect has more to do with the creation seeking its source, rather than the Creator which is the source. God does not need to ask why, because God is the why.I say "almost neverending" because I believe that should GOD ever find what it is seeking then it would also bring about its end! At that time the only thing left to experience would be peace and the only true peace is nothingness, which in turn may be the only true peace that anything within God may ultimately have.
Actually it would be more like coming into your own, into a place which is taylor-made and "resonates" to suit who you are (similar to the idea of karma returning to the source from whence it came), where you find yourself alternating -- and are hence refined -- between states of less resonance and more resonance, in which case it's a process that never ends. Whereas time and space don't exist as they do in the material world, but rather as a difference in intensity (time) and a difference in "relatedness" (space). This is so because The Spirit is in a constant state of flux (driven more so by thought and intent and is always changing) and there is no means by which to measure it "linearly."I know I'll rest if I just die and fade, but if I continue in spirit, then I simply have more to do and experience... but eventually I would search out my own peace, even if it is to be the end of God, myself. This may all be a test, or preparation for the next realm, but overall it may be one large scale multi-dimensional race in which time and space simply doesn't matter!
One thing I would like to say here is that Spirit is derived from the instantaneousness of the moment -- where time and space "intersect" -- and plays off of the constant state of flux which exists between energy fields. Therefore, in order to maintain this, time and space cannot exist as it does in the material world, but rather, as a continuous and incredibly "elastic state" (as pelestration would seem to imply) with its adaptations to both thought and intent.Originally posted by Iacchus32
Whereas time and space don't exist as they do in the material world, but rather as a difference in intensity (time) and a difference in "relatedness" (space). This is so because The Spirit is in a constant state of flux (driven more so by thought and intent and is always changing) and there is no means by which to measure it "linearly."
The state of general anesthesia implies a lack of consciousness, or awareness. Take, for example, patients who are intubated yet open their eyes to command at the end of surgery. In terms of responding to command, they are aware. Yet, frequently, they will not remember commands in the operating room, nor will they remember extubation. Thus, they are aware without recall. The challenge to anesthesiologists is to eliminate recall of unpleasant experiences during surgery.
Recent prospective studies suggest that the incidence of awareness in the form of cognitive (response to command) and non-cognitive (dreams, REM) varies from 0.0015% to 0.2%. To put this in perspective, assuming 20,000,000 general anesthetics are performed in the United States each year, the number of patients suffering from awareness with recall will be between 30,000 and 40,000. It is noteworthy from the largest scale study that the incidence approaches 0.2% in cases where neuromuscular blocking agents were used but is approximately half that in the absence of such drugs. Furthermore, although non-paralyzed patients recalled intraoperative events, none of them had anxiety during the wakefulness or had delayed psychiatric symptoms. In contrast, when neuromuscular blocking agents were used, 78% of aware patients had pain, anxiety or post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
Since patients will often not spontaneously report the occurrence of awareness with recall, the following set of questions has been proposed as an instrument to assess the occurrence of awareness:
1. What is the last thing you remembered before you went to sleep?
2. What is the first thing you remembered when you woke up?
3. Can you remember anything between these two periods?
4. Did you dream during your operation?
5. What was the worst thing about your operation?
Awareness during General Anesthesia
Peter S. Sebel, M.B. B.S., Ph.D., M.B.A.
What, as if I've been waiting all this time? What do you mean? And what are you trying to imply by your post above? Are you trying to give an account for why "out of the body" experiences don't exist?Originally posted by Zodiack_Sign
Sorry for the late response...I just got here.