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Could those White Lines be the Aurora itself shining thru thin clouds?
I doubt it, It was in the complete northern half of the sky, with some in the southern half. People who had lived in northern British Columbia, (my tenant for one, and my friend who lived in Dawson Creek for a while) knew all about it so even at the start when it just looked like a weird cloud formation above us (wider lines than later at night) and there were no Aurora at all, he called me out, saying that it was "starting". Later on it felt like we were in a planetarium and someone had painted the longitude lines in the sky above us. Obviously they had painted it in the wrong place because the lines came together as a "pole" just south of the middle of the sky. Presumably this was because the sun was at the other side of the earth at that stage and the particles whipped round the earth from all sides and some converged there. (I said latitude earlier by mistake). I presume the moisture content was just right and the charged particles traveling along the magnetic lines of the earth were ionizing and causing condensation just like in a cloud chamber, maybe even protons were combining high up with oxygen up there. It waxed and waned with the aurora. So, 2 people I personally know were not surprised at all to see it. I bet if you find more people who live in northern Canada or southern Alaska, I have no doubt they will confirm it. I grew up in Ireland where you will see nearly every cloud formation known to man, but I never saw anything like that before.Tom.G said:Could those White Lines be the Aurora itself shining thru thin clouds?
Took your time.Astranut said:
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The magnetic dynamo cycle of the Sun features a distinct pattern: a propagating region of sunspot emergence appears around 30° latitude and vanishes near the equator every 11 years (ref. 1). Moreover, longitudinal flows called torsional oscillations closely shadow sunspot migration, undoubtedly sharing a common cause2. Contrary to theories suggesting deep origins of these phenomena, helioseismology pinpoints low-latitude torsional oscillations to the outer 5–10% of the Sun, the near-surface shear layer3,4. Within this zone, inwardly increasing differential rotation coupled with a poloidal magnetic field strongly implicates the magneto-rotational instability5,6, prominent in accretion-disk theory and observed in laboratory experiments7. Together, these two facts prompt the general question: whether the solar dynamo is possibly a near-surface instability. Here we report strong affirmative evidence in stark contrast to traditional models8 focusing on the deeper tachocline. Simple analytic estimates show that the near-surface magneto-rotational instability better explains the spatiotemporal scales of the torsional oscillations and inferred subsurface magnetic field amplitudes9. State-of-the-art numerical simulations corroborate these estimates and reproduce hemispherical magnetic current helicity laws10. The dynamo resulting from a well-understood near-surface phenomenon improves prospects for accurate predictions of full magnetic cycles and space weather, affecting the electromagnetic infrastructure of Earth.
So how did it go that day?berkeman said:Yeah, this could be a pain. I have a medical shift tomorrow morning in two remote locations a few hours apart, and I was relying on Google Maps and GPS to get me there. Now I've printed out hard copies of the directions as backups. Yikes, we get so used to technology!
Thanks for posting that! ...Brian in Victoria BC said:Just a note that what I and my tenants saw, "the lines of longitude" ( converging above my head) during the aurora event is called the "corona". A UK facebook user whose husband is an astronomer told me. Another person saw it too, but their lines were pale pink, and they didn't know it was aurora associated (because where they were, they didn't see the actual northern lights. I found a nice bbc video about the auroras. https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0hn4861/why-northern-lights-viewing-is-about-to-get-more-magical There are actually a couple of pictures like what I saw in it (but much more colorful and less defined). I saw thin white lines coming from the "pole" above my head. A picture shows a similar thing with diffuse colours.
Great valuable new valid article of new genuine true Solar Research ... - thanks for posting that! ... (I was looking for it too ...).Astronuc said:The solar dynamo begins near the surface. (Open Access)
Nature | Vol 629 | 23 May 2024 | 769
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07315-1
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LOL, my Google Maps navigation (on my Pixel 6 cellphone) locked up twice that day. First time was on my way to the first part of the shift, and then again while driving to the second part of my shift. I'm not 100% sure it was due to the storm, but I've had pretty much zero issues with navigation using that phone (except one time a couple years ago when I went through a short tunnel in San Francisco).Stavros Kiri said:So how did it go that day?
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/solar-cycle-25-forecast-updateSolar Cycle 25 is forecast to be a fairly weak cycle, the same strength as cycle 24. Solar maximum is expected in July 2025, with a peak of 115 sunspots.
I agree it was probably due to the storm, but one is never sure 100% ...berkeman said:LOL, my Google Maps navigation (on my Pixel 6 cellphone) locked up twice that day. First time was on my way to the first part of the shift, and then again while driving to the second part of my shift. I'm not 100% sure it was due to the storm, but I've had pretty much zero issues with navigation using that phone (except one time a couple years ago when I went through a short tunnel in San Francisco).
It was definitely a good thing that I had printed directions as a backup, and had previewed the routes on Google Maps ahead of time.![]()
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...ongest-radiation-storm-since-2017/ar-BB1nYl0ESunspot AR3697 has made headlines again just before it makes another exit. The sunspot region, formerly known as AR3664, produced the historic geomagnetic storm that led to May's global auroras.
On Saturday (June 8), the sunspot fired off a M9.7-class solar flare, the second strongest type on the classification scale. The flare was powerful enough that it produced the strongest radiation storm since 2017, according to NOAA's Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC). These types of events can pose a risk of impact to space launch operations and satellites, and can also disrupt shortwave radio signals.
On Monday (June 10), Region 3697 fired off an even stronger solar flare, a X1.5-class at 7:08 a.m. EST (1108 GMT). Parts of Earth's sunlit side could experience temporary or complete loss of high frequency (HF) radio signals. According to the SWPC forecast, solar activity is expected to be at minor to moderate levels the next few days as Region 3697 rotates out of sight.
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Today’s top story: Something big and powerful is causing a ruckus on the sun’s far side. Around 0 UTC this morning (July 23), a large farside eruption caused a huge halo CME (see the image above). That’s when a coronal mass ejection (CME) is situated on the sun so that an expanding cloud of an cloud of solar material and magnetic fields looms larger and larger, forming a “halo” around our star as seen from Earth. And experts are now estimating that this particular event might have started with an X14 flare! Halo CMEs often mean there’s a CME headed toward Earth. This CME is not headed our way, but, if it had been, it night have caused a dazzling (and perhaps scary) geomagnetic event, such as the one of October 28, 2003.
Last 24 hours: In the past day, solar activity has been moderate, with one M flare. Between 11 UTC yesterday and 11 UTC today, we saw solar activity on the sun’s near side reduce from 31 flares yesterday to nine flares today: an M flare and eight C flares. The largest flare was an M1.5 on July 22 at 13 UTC from AR3744. An R1 (minor) radio blackout affected an area over the Atlantic Ocean off the west coast of Africa. Following this M flare, another flare that narrowly missed becoming an M (C9.0) came from AR3762 at 15:26 UTC on July 22. The lead flare producer of the period was sunspot region AR3762 with three flares. Today the sun has two active regions showing a beta-gamma-delta magnetic complexity: AR3751 and AR3762. Sunspot AR3761 kept its magnetic complexity at a beta-gamma level. The southwest quadrant has the two largest sunspot regions in size. The remaining regions have simple alpha or beta magnetic complexity. The sun has nine numbered active regions.
Next 24 hours: The chance for C flares is 99%. The chance for M flares is 60%. The chance for X flares is 15%.
Next expected CME: Yesterday’s (late July 21) dark spray from a filament eruption created a halo coronal mass ejection (CME) that is expected to reach Earth on July 24. No new Earth-directed CMEs were in the available imagery.
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