Solar Radiation AM - Danilo's Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characteristics of solar radiation, specifically focusing on potential amplitude modulation in the megahertz range that could affect an IR transceiver designed for data transmission. Participants explore the nature of solar radiation, its variations, and the impact of atmospheric conditions on these signals.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Danilo raises a concern about the potential for amplitude modulation of solar radiation in the megahertz range, particularly regarding quick variations in IR and visible light intensity that could interfere with a photodiode's DC block.
  • One participant notes that the sun emits radiation in the radio range and mentions that variations occur due to solar activity, such as flares and coronal mass ejections, which can increase radio emissions over short timescales.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the presence of significant amplitude modulation in the IR intensity at megahertz frequencies, suggesting that such modulations are likely very small, possibly less than 1/1,000,000.
  • Concerns are raised about atmospheric effects, with one participant indicating that fluctuations caused by atmospheric conditions, like star twinkling, occur at frequencies up to a few hundred Hz, which may be more significant than solar variations.
  • Danilo acknowledges the input from others and expresses interest in further exploring the atmospheric effects while maintaining that atmospheric conditions are not a primary concern for his application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of amplitude modulation in solar radiation at megahertz frequencies, with some suggesting it is minimal while others emphasize the potential impact of atmospheric effects. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the extent of these modulations or their relevance to Danilo's project.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights a lack of published data on short-term variations in solar radiation intensity, particularly in the context of amplitude modulation in the IR spectrum. Participants note that existing studies tend to focus on longer-term variations.

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First of all, this is my first post here. So, hello everyone! :smile:

I have a question about the solar radiation and that I don't seem to be able to find an answer for on the net.

I'm building an IR transceiver for data transmission that should be able to withstand some amount of direct sunlight on the photodiode. I already made some prototypes, and filtering out the DC current generated by direct sunlight it's an easy task. But now I'm particularly worried if the solar radiation in space (with no atmosphere filtering) may have some "amplitude modulation" around the megahertz range (let's say, from 10 kHz to 10 MHz in both visible and IR spectrums) that could get thru the DC block.

Every study I could find on the net is about longer term variations of the solar radiation (from hours to centuries) and I can't find anything on shorter term ones. Maybe it's just because there is no variation on shorter terms... But, you know... :wink:

Anyway, if anyone here could shed some light on the subject, I would be grateful.

Danilo
 
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Sun radiates in radio range

I'm in solar astronomy but not an expert in radio. The sun radiates in the range you
are in interested in from the 'quiet sun' and from 'active regions'. there are variations as
these regions evolve and the sun rotates. Also, eruptions such as flares and coronal mass ejections cause increases in radio emission over timescales of minutes to hours. I believe there are websites showing plots of emission versus time measured by satellites. Also, there are several ground based radio observatories that provide such data. google:
solar radio observatory, or: in-situ solar radio emission
 
heliotrope said:
Also, there are several ground based radio observatories that provide such data. google:
solar radio observatory, or: in-situ solar radio emission

Yeah. I know the sun radiates in the radio range. But I'm not interested in electromagnetic radiation in the megahertz range. I'm interested in "amplitude modulation" of the light emitted by the sun in the megahertz range. I mean, quick variations in the IR (or visible) light intensity that would get past the DC current block I used on the photodiode.

Danilo
 
AM should be quite small

sorry, i didnt read that carefully enough. there is not a lot published on this topic, probably because the modulations in IR intensity in the megahertz range are very small. I would guess the relative amplitude is less than 1/1,000,000. the flucutations caused by passage through Earth's atmosphere are much larger.
 
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I would worry more about atmospheric effects. The timescale for atmopsheric seeing (star twinkling) is upto a few 100Hz.
 
Sorry for the late reply, but I've been quite busy.

heliotrope said:
I would guess the relative amplitude is less than 1/1,000,000. the flucutations caused by passage through Earth's atmosphere are much larger.

Exactly what I guessed at first. Just wanted someone else's opinion too.

mgb_phys said:
I would worry more about atmospheric effects. The timescale for atmopsheric seeing (star twinkling) is upto a few 100Hz.

Interesting. I will dig into that. However, luckily for us, atmosphere is nothing to be concerned about. :smile:

Thanks everyone.
Danilo
 

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