Solid angle , never seen derivative

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivative of solid angle, specifically the expression d(solid angle) = dvx * dvy. Participants explore the meaning of this expression, its derivation, and its dimensional consistency within the context of velocity space.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the formula for the derivative of solid angle and requests hints for its derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the solid angle can be visualized as an area on a unit sphere, implying that vx and vy may represent length differentials in the x and y directions.
  • A different participant clarifies that vx and vy refer to velocities, specifically relating them to the components of 4-momentum, and speculates that px and py are momenta of incoming photons.
  • One participant corrects the terminology, stating that it is a differential rather than a derivative, comparing it to the expression for differential cross-sectional area.
  • Another participant questions how the expression can be derived and expresses curiosity about the origins of similar expressions.
  • A participant notes that while solid angle is dimensionless, the expression d(solid angle) = dvx * dvy yields velocity squared, indicating a need for dimensional consistency.
  • One participant proposes that the speed of light squared might be in the denominator, suggesting it is considered as 1 for dimensional consistency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the expression or its dimensional consistency, with multiple viewpoints and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of vx and vy, the dimensional analysis of the expression, and the specific context in which the solid angle is being discussed.

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hello,
Please attached snapshot of an answer to an Ex. I was stunned at the formula for the derivative of the solid angle which is :

d(solid angle) = dvx * dvy

I would appreciate if somebody can provide some hints on how one can find it ?

Thank you,
 

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Since I don't know what vx and vy are, it is hard to answer. However the solid angle can be envisioned as an area on a unit sphere, so these could be length differentials in the x and y directions on a unit sphere.
 
well as you can see in the same line, the vx and vy are velocities since they are equal to P over E in the 4-momentum . the px and py are momentum in the x and y directions of the incoming photos I guess ?
 
It's not a derivative of solid angle, it's a differential, it's the area of a small rectangle in velocity space, exactly analogous to the other line, d(cross-sectional area) = dx dy
 
I see . But how can we derive this expression ? why is it defined in the velocity space ? sometimes I wonder from where similar expressions come from ...
 
A solid angle is dimensionless, but the expression d(solid angle) = dvx * dvy has velocity squared on the right hand side. Something has to be included to make the expression dimensionally consistent.
 
yes it might be that the speed of light squared is in the denominator and it is considered as 1 ...
 

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