Solutes with very high melting points

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The discussion centers around identifying solutes with very high melting points, specifically those that reach temperatures of 1800°C or higher. Participants explore various materials and their solubility in different solvents, with a focus on practical applications in machining and casting processes.

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  • One participant inquires about solutes with very high melting points, mentioning sodium chloride as an example.
  • Another participant suggests searching for melting points of compounds and mentions zinc oxide, which has a melting point of 1975°C, but notes that it may only be soluble in weak acids.
  • A different participant proposes metal oxides, specifically alumina, as a candidate with a high melting point that can be made into colloidal suspensions and dissolved by acids.
  • One participant expresses interest in machining a substance to create complex internal structures, indicating a need for a material that can be dissolved away after forming another molten material around it.
  • Another participant recommends ceramic core materials, which are commercially available and can be dissolved in special etchant mixes, highlighting their use in casting processes like the lost wax method for turbine blades.

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Participants present multiple viewpoints on suitable materials with high melting points and their solubility, indicating that there is no consensus on a single solution or approach.

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Some participants mention specific conditions for solubility, such as the need for weak acids or special etchants, which may limit the applicability of the proposed materials in certain contexts.

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Does anyone know of any solutes (such as sodium chloride) that have VERY high melting points (preferably 1800C or higher)? They don't have to be water soluable but they need a solvent that can disolve them.
 
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Have you looked at metal oxides ? Alumina in particular has a very high melting point and can be made into colloidal suspensions and dissolved by acids ?
 
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very awesome, thank you. Trying to machine a substance to form another molten material around and then be able to disolve it away so I can make complex internal structures that would be incredibly expensive to machine.
 
You need ceramic core materials for that . These are commercially available as either cement like materials which can be moulded or as solid blocks which can be machined . They will dissolve away in special etchant mixes . Different etchant mixes are made so that depending on which metal you are casting the core will etch away preferentially to the metal .

These ceramic core materials are essentially the same ones as are used for the moulds when casting components like Nimonic turbine blades by the lost wax process .
 
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